Apple's new M4 chip comes with the fastest Neural Engine ever

07 May 2024
It's making its debut in the new iPad Pro.

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Both qualcomm and apple love comparing to failure intel chip laptops, but not amd xd!

    Anonymous, 07 May 2024Yes, your point is, you don't have a clue. Qualcom... moreYeah, I don't have a clue. Microsoft does, it's why Windows for ARM is so amazing everyone is raving about it. Oh, wait... 15 years and counting and it's still TRASH. Apple got M series and MacOS for it up and running in actually usable state in around 1 year after public final launch.

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      We are going to see huge NPU explosion. Lunar Lake, Strix Point and X Elite all will have 45 Tops just for NPU and Panther lake next year will double LNL and so we are looking at 90 Tops. I wonder where it will end.

        Pretty sure they'll make this awesome chip with such immense power only to force users to opt for a cloud service. Even if they sell the iPads at a loss, the amount of profit they'll make with a service in just one year would be enough to keep them at the top of the foodchain as the most valuable company. It's all about locking stuff down and then getting users to pay for it. Exactly what Google and Samsung are starting to learn from Apple and whoah won't you look at that their profits are higher. We live in the darkest times fr I wish we went back 10 years and just stopped there

          SShock, 07 May 2024That's not the point. When you design Ai feature to ru... moreApple products have AI stuff 🤔🤔

            potato4k, 07 May 2024LOL. Apple got scarred of Oryon so they quickly pushed M4 o... moreiPadOS is bottlenecking M2 and M4. Putting a few pro apps won't change a thing. Most people who buy a Pro iPad is just looking for a larger screen than 10 inches. Most people use an iPad for work like spreadsheets, Google Docs, schoolwork, gaming (most games will get crushed anyways by M2 itself) and drawing.

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              SShock, 07 May 2024That's not the point. When you design Ai feature to ru... moreYes, your point is, you don't have a clue.

              Qualcomm's, Intel's, AMD's and all those are genuinely optimised for industry leading standards like Open AI. But also a raft of other AI coding languages. But your vague hype is obviously better than facts.

                Anonymous, 07 May 2024Interested in the future benchmarks / sustain between Qualc... moreWill be moving everything to the Apple sphere between now and next summer. If nothing else the drop in my electric bills will pay for it.

                  Anonymous, 07 May 2024What would I create advanced AI on for maximum performance?... moreThat's not the point. When you design Ai feature to run on Apple's Neural Engine, it'll run incredibly fast guaranteed. On Windows, it's something you are hopeful for but not guaranteed.

                    Ouifuf, 07 May 2024Fastest doesn't mean anything if people don't opt... morehaha, they won't try. They definitely will

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                      SShock, 07 May 2024Just because it has the fastest numbers on paper, that does... moreWhat would I create advanced AI on for maximum performance? Open platforms like Android, Linux or Windows, all known to have strong integration with Open AI and GitHub, or Apple's extremely locked down code? That is indeed a conundrum.

                        Anonymous, 07 May 2024what is oryonQualcomm's newly launched CPU

                          Fastest doesn't mean anything if people don't optimise their systems for it. Knowing Apple, they'll try and make certains systems/processes work exclusively on apple silicon or make it really hard to develop AI apps for their devices to begin with.

                            Just my opinion, 07 May 2024Qualcomm last week: THIS IS THE X elite, comes with the wor... moreJust because it has the fastest numbers on paper, that doesn't really mean anything if Windows has to run on ARM lol. I honestly don't know who Snapdragon X Elite is meant for, really. Apple actually has their own OS specifically tailored for their Series M chipsets to take their full potential. And it absolutely does as proven by actual big numbers in almost every field possible. Qualcomm relies on Microsoft's incompetence to deliver a functioning Windows for ARM seeing how Microsoft is fumbling around with it for over 15 years now. Apple doesn't really have that problem. I think Linux distros on ARM chipsets are a greater possibility and I frankly think Linux might take over the entire range of devices powered by ARM chipsets.

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                              Anonymous, 07 May 2024Interested in the future benchmarks / sustain between Qualc... moreHow about this and the upcoming 2024 Intel lunar Lake NPU, supposedly breaking 100 trillions of these synthetic numbers?

                              Basic PC NPUs from Nvidia has easily broken into the 40 trillion territory already. This is just another marketing stunt by Apple to hide they're still lagging behind.

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                                • 07 May 2024

                                Interested in the future benchmarks / sustain between Qualcomm and M4.

                                One thing that M series is good at is performance per watt and large capacity of ram. That's what makes Mac Studio M2 Ultra a very good chip for LLVM compared to the likes of Nvidia GPU, you get comparable performance at a fraction of the power cost.. not to mention the fan noise.

                                Now more cpu with nlu coming to the market, can't wait to see the changes.

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                                  potato4k, 07 May 2024LOL. Apple got scarred of Oryon so they quickly pushed M4 o... morewhat is oryon

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                                    Just my opinion, 07 May 2024Qualcomm last week: THIS IS THE X elite, comes with the wor... moreYeah, last I check 45 is definitely a bigger number than 38.
                                    Add to that, Qualcomm's is compatible with a bunch of languages, likely making it a lot more flexible.

                                    I guess Apple needs a bigger calculator in their next iPad to be able to crunch 2-digit subtraction.

                                      Qualcomm last week: THIS IS THE X elite, comes with the world's fastest NPU for laptops capable of 45 TOPS (trillions of operations per second)

                                      Also Apple this week: The M4 comes with the fastest Neural Engine ever, capable of up to 38 trillion operations per second, faster than the neural processing unit of any AI PC today

                                        LOL. Apple got scarred of Oryon so they quickly pushed M4 out, even with the Mac Studio and Pro still sitting with M2.

                                        I don't get the point of an M4 in an iPad anyway. It still runs the same apps as the cheapest iPad.

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