New M4-powered iPad Pro (2024) blows its M2-based predecessor out of the water
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- GamingBrudda
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- 10 May 2024
GamingBrudda, 09 May 2024Once again, I was talking about the benefit of EFFICIENCY t... moreBy the way I meant to reply to JLC, not Sshock. Skill issue on my side, sorry bud
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- Anonymous
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- 10 May 2024
Ouifuf, 09 May 2024I mean you'd hope so. They skipped the entire m3 chip ... moreThey did the same thing with M3 mac iirc ( promo charts compared it to M1). Maybe it's to give an illusion of huge improvement. 🤣
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- 10 May 2024
Anonymous, 09 May 2024Doesn't the Snapdragon X Elite outperform the Apple M3?No
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- GamingBrudda
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- 09 May 2024
SShock, 09 May 2024No it hasn't. It's not even remotely close to Mac... moreOnce again, I was talking about the benefit of EFFICIENCY there, not performance. Apple said m4 uses half the power of m2 at m2 levels of performance. Even better if they meant overall instead of hovering around m2 power
I heard about the sustained brightness from reviewers. I believe it was mrwhosetheboss.
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- Jon8652
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- 09 May 2024
Interesting to see how the 4+4 M2 on the Air will compare with the 3+6 M3 on the Pro. I honestly think that the M2 might have an advantage when doing demanding tasks like gaming or video editing, due to the extra performance core.
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- JLC
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- 09 May 2024
Anonymous, 09 May 2024That's not how overclocking works buddyMaybe I used the wrong term.
To me it seems as if a big part of the performance gain is achieved through running the CPUs at higher clockspeeds.
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- 09 May 2024
JLC, 09 May 2024Overclocking the CPU generation after generation will resul... moreThat's not how overclocking works buddy
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- Anonymous
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- 09 May 2024
SShock, 09 May 2024No it hasn't. It's not even remotely close to Mac... moreDoesn't the Snapdragon X Elite outperform the Apple M3?
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- JLC
- pa7
- 09 May 2024
Overclocking the CPU generation after generation will result in Intel-like heating problems and has nothing to do with efficiency anymore:
M1: 3.22 GHz
M2: 3.49 GHz
M3: 4.04 GHz
M4: 4.40 GHz
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- JLC
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- 09 May 2024
GamingBrudda, 09 May 2024I also don’t get why people dismiss such improvements and s... moreWhat are you talking about? The tandem OLED (an achievement of the display manufacturers does not need the performance of an M4 chip. The tandem OLED does not mean that the CPU would need even one additional cycle more for driving the display.
Another question: who told you that you would be able to have 1000 nits sustained brightness?
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- SShock
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- 09 May 2024
Anonymous, 09 May 2024They ARE afraid, since the new chip seems to get very close... moreNo it hasn't. It's not even remotely close to MacOS that is powered by M chipsets. You guys don't realize how tightly integrated hardware and software is with Macs and new ARM chips from Apple. Windows for ARM is far worse than M1 was on day when they released first ARM macs.
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- 09 May 2024
SShock, 09 May 2024Apple is absolutely not afraid of Snapdragon X Elite. Nothi... moreApple is in panic. Why else should they release M4 only 6 months after M3? They are pissing off their M3 buyers after having pissed off their M2 buyers because M3 was already released completely unexpected. Just 6 months between two CPU generations! This is unprecedented and definitely a sign of panic!
M3 was released just days before X Elite was announced officially. And M4 is released now just days before Microsoft release their first X-based notebooks/tablets.
Apple is just trying to draw the attention to the sheer performance. But It does not change anything because Apple is getting it wrong. As a Windows user I would be more than happy to have the M2 efficiency and performance instead of Intel’s. Heck, even an X Elite chip with M1 performance would be enough. Who really cares about M4 performance if you need/want Windows? Whether M4 is 2x faster or 100x faster: it does not make any difference to me as a Windows user. My X Elite device would still be fast enough. Don’t forget: until 30th of October 2023 (6 months before) M2 was still considered as the benchmark, and now I should care about M4?
As far as emulation optimization is concerned, “Garry explains” made a video on that and showed that performance ratio of the emulation of X86 code is similar on both MacOS on ARM or Windows on ARM. If the ARM chip for Windows is fast enough, so will also be the emulation, too.
I am going to buy the new Samsung Book Edge (or whatever it will be called) on day 1 and enjoy native Microsoft Office, Edge and other essentials on it, and also OpenJDK including IDEs for it. And also run our company software natively on it. For the rest, their will be emulation at the beginning and it will be fast enough for normal use-cases.
Also, this “dedicated OS for a chip” talk is a complete hyperbole spread by Apple. With exception of really specific hardware support for some iOS-specific features that 99.9999% of people don’t need (e.g., hardware support for ProRes) there is really no big difference.
Windows on ARMS will fly this time because there are finally serious competitive chips available.
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- Anonymous
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- 09 May 2024
As much as I want real competition from Qualcomm as the next guy, it’s just wild that there are people suggesting that apple is afraid of them 💀
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- Dr Mujeeb
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- 09 May 2024
This jump was needed for them. Bcz snapdragon 8 gen 4 is scoring almost 10,400 in early benchmarks. A mobile chip was beating their laptop chip. It would have been shameful for them. What is more interesting is that, they used 10 cores in it. So expect a18 pro also to come with 2 extra efficient core. Dimensity 9400 and snapdragon 8 gen 4 has forced apple to come out of their comfort zone. What is more damaging in comparison b/w m2 and snapdragon 8 gen 4 is that. 8 gen 4 will have peak TDP of around only 14w whereas Apple m2 has peak TDP of 23w.
PS: snapdragon x elite has nothing to do with it. Bcz arm chips will never run good on windows unless developers develop arm specific apps. The efficiency gains are offset by need for emulation, hence nullifying the impact.
Apple is fearing snapdragon 8 gen 4 and dimensity 9400, and not snapdragon x elite.
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- afronoia
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- 09 May 2024
MasEnha, 09 May 2024No competion to SD X Elite, since the tablet powered by stu... moreAs much as many people want that, Apple will only make iPad run that stupid OS. If they put MacOS on iPad Pro, Macbook's market will decline significantly. I think putting the same chip for Macbook on an iPad was Apple's biggest mistake, but too late to fix that now.
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- 09 May 2024
SShock, 09 May 2024Apple is absolutely not afraid of Snapdragon X Elite. Nothi... moreApple is afraid. Because the team behind the Oryon cores that Qualcomm used for the X Elite are pretty much ex Apple Silicon team.
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- Anonymous
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- 09 May 2024
potato4k, 09 May 2024And... seriously, what will people do with that performance... moreYeah iPadOS is a bit useless. But maybe that at least means it will get updates for the next 15 years if performance is so overkill.
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- 09 May 2024
Poor qualcomm cant even reach 3k single even after stealing apple engineers....
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- Anonymous
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- 09 May 2024
The really funny and unintended side effect of this claim is that it makes the new M2-based iPad Air sound like a really bad product compared to the M4-based iPad Pro - we get it, the Pro is better, so why is the "bad" Air so expensive then and why should I buy it?
On the flip side, who cares, tablets are not about sheer performance numbers, a really expensive iPad Pro runs the same apps and does not make you more productive than when using an older model with M2/M1 chips.
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- Anonymous
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- 09 May 2024
It's indeed powerful but what's the use.