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  • SonyScamNumberOne
  • pdw
  • 25 Oct 2024

Current prices of sony smartphones: overpriced.

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    • SonyScamNumberOne
    • pdw
    • 25 Oct 2024

    SonyScamNumberOne, 24 Oct 2024No esim in US model and maybe some bands.I mean physical SIM card. Pardon

      Smithravi, 25 Oct 2024Launch prices: Xperia 1 II with 4K screen 1200€ 256GB ... moreCurrent prices in Romania (the largest retailer I know):

      Xperia 1 VI 256 GB - RON 6400 (1280 euros)
      iPhone 16 Max Pro 256 GB - RON 7100 (1430 euros)

      And, of course, you can always add 1.5 TB on the SD card on the Xperia.

      You can't see beyond 350 ppi. Xperia 1 VI has 396 ppi, Xperia 1 I-V all have 643 ppi, iPhone 16 Pro Max has 460 ppi. So what? Did you see better on your Xperia 1 IV than you see on your iPhone? Of course you didn't. You can rant about physical realities (such as the limits of human vision), but you can't change them. As for the prices, they speak for themselves: they are both expensive phones.

        Goodthings, 25 Oct 2024They have, as already explained. Launch prices:

        Xperia 1 II with 4K screen 1200€ 256GB
        Xperia 1 III with 4K screen 1300€ 256GB
        Xperia 1 IV with 4K screen 1600€ 512GB
        Last year 1 V with 4K screen 1400€ 256GB
        This year 1 VI with FHD screen 1400€ 256GB (1500€ 512GB)

        Don't argue with sale prices or discounts or current prices. Don't compare with other brands as well. Just convince me how 4K screen is worth same price as FHD.

          Smithravi, 25 Oct 2024so accordingly they should also reduce the price. My pointThey have, as already explained.

            Goodthings, 25 Oct 2024My point exaclty, 4K is not suitable for 6.5. This is why I... moreso accordingly they should also reduce the price. My point

              SoynScamNumberOne, 25 Oct 20244k is completely useless on such tiny screens. Sony is over... moreMy point exaclty, 4K is not suitable for 6.5. This is why I salute Sony's decision to use an FHD panel for the Xperia 1 VI.

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                • SoynScamNumberOne
                • pdw
                • 25 Oct 2024

                Goodthings, 24 Oct 20241. 4K - I did not say completely useless. 2. I don't ... more4k is completely useless on such tiny screens. Sony is overpriced end of story. Stop spamming.

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                  • 25 Oct 2024

                  Andreea, 24 Oct 2024Can I fully use an Iphone 16 Pro Max from US, in Romania, E... moreNo issue. I just bought an iPhone 16 Pro Max from NY City a few days ago and use it in Romania without any issue. All our major operators offer e-sim now.

                    Smithravi, 24 Oct 20241. It is limited is fact but not completely useless is also... more1. 4K - I did not say completely useless.
                    2. I don't hold my phone in front of my eyes while sleeping. You can't see the pixels, that's why I did the math for you, considering the difference between screen sizes.
                    3. Yes, you can press it once, but it is not a true two-step shutter button. The second step is capacitive. There's where the gimmick lies.
                    4. Your argument concerning the price does not stand considering the resolution, as already (and twice) explained. The fact is that both the iPhone Pro Max and Sony Xperia 1 VI have exceptional screens, nobody's questioning that. They have both gone beyond human perception in terms of resolution, which is good enough. And, yes, that saves battery life.
                    5. You are completely right, professional cameras for professional photos. Then, the whole marketing discourse about professional/exceptional/astounding photos taken with any iPhone, Samsung, Sony, Vivo or any other device remains a fake marketing strategy. Now, once you take that out of the equation, and you easily notice natural photos taken with the 1 VI vs. unnatural photos taken with the iPhone, the Pixel, let alone Samsung, they you're starting to understand where the difference lies.
                    6. Yup, you're right, in well lit scenarios, the telephoto is better on the 1 VI, but this comes at the cost of having them slightly overexposed in other scenarios. My point: Sony is not different from the others and, when they try to increase the quality with software tweaks, the results are equally mixed. I don't believe this is the best camera on a phone at this moment. Pura 70 is better. Some other Chinese models offer competitive cameras too. S24 Ultra had its chance, but they keep on processing the photos, so the general feel is still not there. They do it consciously: there are more consumers out there interested in that fake feel than consumers who are not.
                    7. Seamless zoom - lol, from 3.5 to 7.1 the zoom is optical on the Xperia. It too notice the shift from one lens to another. If you don't notice it on the iPhone is because they compensate on the sowtware level so that you perceive the shift seamless. But it is not seamless (the lenses do switch!). So, again, basic optics: if you would take a photo at that very moment when lenses shift, it would be logically unsusable. Haha, this is fun: I was thinking how we need to actually change the lenses on our professional cameras if we want a completely different focal lenght. So that type of magic is not for me. But you can go on and live with the illusion that the lens transition is seamless. Close your left eye. Now open your right eye as fast as you can while closing the left eye. Can you do this seamlessly? Lol. You probably do, given the fact that you see beyond 350 ppi at 6.5 inches.
                    8. I only had one phone with a notch (P20 Lite, back in the day). I used it for two years, and wasn't able to adjust my perception to that notch.

                    However, interesting talk. I could not have imagined 10 years ago to have such a talk about such advanced technology. These companies evolved faster than I expected. And you got me wrong: I believe the iPhone 16 Pro Max is an exceptional device. But I also believe Xperia 1 VI is better overall.

                    PS Check for prices (for iPhones too!!!) on other local markets. There happen to be deals better than those mentioned in our dialogue.

                      Goodthings, 24 Oct 2024Smithravi, 1. True. The initial argument was that the am... more1. It is limited is fact but not completely useless is also fact.

                      2. 15cm is what any human can hold while sleeping. Please take a measuring scale and measure the distance. Also 6.9 inches is what iPhone screen size and not 6.5 inches. It is indeed massive phone and not small device. I do see pixels if you put your eyes closure and for some humans like me do notice the quality overall. Again don't force this on all.

                      3. You are right in explaining the Definitions but wrong in understanding and how it works. Apple's cameral control button is a physical "BUTTON". Just google. It is both. If you can't seem to perceive how, then I can't spoon feed you anymore.

                      4. Price matters and in the end is a big deal. Sony should not even think about releasing an FHD phone at competitors prices who are gving QHD which is also expensive. In this sense Sony is more expensive for what it offers than others. Resolution is one aspect of that. No body wants to buy a mediocre screen when you can get QHD for same price unless he is imbesil.

                      5. If I want to take professional photo, I will take it by professional photographer. Even if you give high end camera to normal user, won't able to click proper pics. So your argument is valid only for niche users/photographers.

                      6. As for the camera: Yes Sony excels in some scenarios especial in well lit conditions. Even their technology for telephoto is different and I appreciate it. But results matter. Except in few scenarios, all photos taken in telephoto and low light were bad and definitely not worthy/useful at 1400€ price.

                      Just do lens transition on Sony and come back to me. No other Smartphone other than iPhone can do excellent lens transition. It keeps the same colours, contrast and you don't even notice that you are recording on different lenses. Seamless zoom. This you can't say for Sony even though they have better BT2020 more and more. HDR is also something sony is poor. It is not reliable compared to iPhones.

                      Yes, I do like uninterrupted screen. I watch lot of content and play games. It is indeed annoying. But that's the price I pay for the rest of the Benefits. Like if I have picked Sony, I would have paid the price in screen resolution, shortcuts automations, all round pictures, reliable features and long SOFTWARE SUPPORT etc.,. I must also add I kind of liked dynamic island features. I loved shortcuts automation (Imagine you can tell what your phone needs to do without touching your phone and based on location, connection and what not)

                      With this I'm ending my arguments and I take that you only wants to see your perspective rather than others.

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                        • SonyScamNumberOne
                        • pdw
                        • 24 Oct 2024

                        Goodthings, 24 Oct 2024It is expensive indeed, but all the other flagships on the ... moreRight now other flagships offers way more features, way longer software support and global availability. It's absurd to mention sony along side google, samsung and apple. I think in near future even Vivo will surpass it easily.

                          SonyScamNumberOne, 24 Oct 2024No. I don't like to read spam. Sony is overpriced end ... moreIt is expensive indeed, but all the other flagships on the market right now are. Utterly so.

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                            • SonyScamNumberOne
                            • pdw
                            • 24 Oct 2024

                            Goodthings, 24 Oct 2024Have you read the comments? You are off topic. No. I don't like to read spam. Sony is overpriced end of topic.

                              Smithravi, 24 Oct 20241. It doesn't work on your account doesn't mean i... moreSmithravi,

                              1. True. The initial argument was that the amount of time when 4K Sony phones display 4K content is extremely limited. And it's not an argument, it's a fact.

                              2. I've tried to place my Xperia 1 VI at 15 cm. Apart from not seeing the actual pixels, I felt odd. Of course nobody is using their phones at that distance. The minimal distance recommended for LCD and OLED screens is three times the diagonal of the screen. In Sony's Case, that is 49.5 cm. In Pro Max's case, that is 52.5. All right, let's lower this to 30. But 15? Why not simply stick your eyeball to the display itself? And I don't particularly entertain the idea of using my phone in the context you mention.

                              3. No, I am not wrong. Capacitive (= pertaining to capacitance). The button has sensors that feel the amount of pressure your finger exerts on them and acts accordingly. That is - ellectrically, not mechanically.

                              4. Yup, I'm sorry in Germany the prices are higher. But you're still in the same ppi discourse. And I've already explained the realities of the ppi density, which is the threshold, and what are the limits of human vision.

                              5. True, I prefer to edit pictures that I've taken and consider especially good. But most of the pictures I take with my phone stay unedited. My argument there was that consumers have somehow developed the idea that a smartphone can take professional photos. No smartphone can do that. It's basic optics. It is, and I repeat myself, amazing what these companies have done given the small sizes of the lenses.

                              6. As for the camera:
                              a. yup, I too believe telephoto is better managed on the iPhone. It is, again, because of the artefact. Sony is stuck with the idea that the natural look should rule, but they haven't managed to master the tele as they have the wide and the macro.
                              b. low light - you just have to use the pro settings and you'll get approximately similar results with Sony. However, I believe low light is utterly bad on all the smartphones right now. And we won't see major improvements in the following years. Again, basic optics.
                              c. videos - use the pro settings in Sony. Sony is currently using BT2020, which translates to 5000cd/m2 EOTF HDR. Then take a video shot with iPhone, play it on a 4k display and enjoy the following: slight color fringing, color abberation, overly saturated colors in bright environments, and the lovely, just lovely superimposed contrast that hurts my eyes.
                              d. macro - straight out of the bat, the difference is huge. I regret not being able to add a few macro photos taken with my xperia.
                              d. telemacro - this is where the limits of DoF become obvious. Sony is the only manufacturer, except for Huawei (Pura 70) to offer this as far as i know. The results are mixed, I believe Huawei has done a better job here. But we're talking literally heads of insects here. The other phones can't even get a decent focus at that distance.
                              e. the general feel of the images - I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. They are beautifully natural, so different from what I could get on a Samsung or a Pixel or this iPhone for that matter.

                              OK, must get back to work now.

                              But I'm still puzzled how you could get accustomed with the display given that horrid cutout (you know very well how nice an uninterruped display is) and lacking front-facing speakers. For me, as far as multimedia content is concerned, these two are essentials.

                                Goodthings, 24 Oct 20241 It doesn't work on my YouTube account. :( However, t... more1. It doesn't work on your account doesn't mean it doesn't work for all of us.

                                2. Maybe you also stick your phone at arms length when you use your phone in bed or while sitting on a toi??? I'm among many who uses phone lot shorter than 15cm depending on the position.

                                3. "Mechanical + capacitive is improper in itself." You are wrong. Capacitive is for just scrolling and mechanical button is for the focus half click and capture click. Like I said, you should check the reviews properly.

                                4. Next time use this official link "https://www.sony.de/store/product/xqec54eukcg.gc/Xperia-1-C2-A0VI-7C-Neues-Teleobjektiv-7C-2-C2-A0Tage-Akkulaufzeit-7C-Helleres-Display-powered-by-BRAVIA-E2-84-A2"
                                I can only speak for the prices in Germany. 256GB version of Sony 1 VI (FHD at 1400€) and iPhone 16 Pro Max (2.8K at 1450€). Yes both are expensive as so all smartphones but FHD screen for 1400€ is sand in your eyes.

                                5. Not everyone wants to edit their pictures maybe?? I personally never edit and just use pics taken directly. Maybe you have different use case and personal preference. Maybe you should not force your preferences on others? For my use case, iPhone does satisfy just like Sony did. To be honest low light photography and telephoto, iPhone did better than Sony comparatively straight off the bat. Videos, don't you even argue. Just go and check the youtube videos or reviews. Check the video samples and then come back to me.

                                  SonyScamNumberOne, 24 Oct 2024Guys it's one of the most popular phones in the world ... moreHave you read the comments? You are off topic.

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                                    • SonyScamNumberOne
                                    • pdw
                                    • 24 Oct 2024

                                    Goodthings, 24 Oct 20241 It doesn't work on my YouTube account. :( However, t... moreGuys it's one of the most popular phones in the world forum along side samsung. I think we all can agree sony is not worth mentioning because they are overpriced. Less features, less software support, dying in most regions, least popular flagship which costs a lot...

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                                      • SonyScamNumberOne
                                      • pdw
                                      • 24 Oct 2024

                                      Andreea, 24 Oct 2024Can I fully use an Iphone 16 Pro Max from US, in Romania, E... moreNo esim in US model and maybe some bands.

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                                        • Andreea
                                        • srr
                                        • 24 Oct 2024

                                        Can I fully use an Iphone 16 Pro Max from US, in Romania, Europe?
                                        What do I need to be aware of?
                                        Thank you

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