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  • 25 Oct 2024

Goodthings, 24 Oct 20241. 4K - I did not say completely useless. 2. I don't ... more4k is completely useless on such tiny screens. Sony is overpriced end of story. Stop spamming.

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    • 25 Oct 2024

    Andreea, 24 Oct 2024Can I fully use an Iphone 16 Pro Max from US, in Romania, E... moreNo issue. I just bought an iPhone 16 Pro Max from NY City a few days ago and use it in Romania without any issue. All our major operators offer e-sim now.

      Smithravi, 24 Oct 20241. It is limited is fact but not completely useless is also... more1. 4K - I did not say completely useless.
      2. I don't hold my phone in front of my eyes while sleeping. You can't see the pixels, that's why I did the math for you, considering the difference between screen sizes.
      3. Yes, you can press it once, but it is not a true two-step shutter button. The second step is capacitive. There's where the gimmick lies.
      4. Your argument concerning the price does not stand considering the resolution, as already (and twice) explained. The fact is that both the iPhone Pro Max and Sony Xperia 1 VI have exceptional screens, nobody's questioning that. They have both gone beyond human perception in terms of resolution, which is good enough. And, yes, that saves battery life.
      5. You are completely right, professional cameras for professional photos. Then, the whole marketing discourse about professional/exceptional/astounding photos taken with any iPhone, Samsung, Sony, Vivo or any other device remains a fake marketing strategy. Now, once you take that out of the equation, and you easily notice natural photos taken with the 1 VI vs. unnatural photos taken with the iPhone, the Pixel, let alone Samsung, they you're starting to understand where the difference lies.
      6. Yup, you're right, in well lit scenarios, the telephoto is better on the 1 VI, but this comes at the cost of having them slightly overexposed in other scenarios. My point: Sony is not different from the others and, when they try to increase the quality with software tweaks, the results are equally mixed. I don't believe this is the best camera on a phone at this moment. Pura 70 is better. Some other Chinese models offer competitive cameras too. S24 Ultra had its chance, but they keep on processing the photos, so the general feel is still not there. They do it consciously: there are more consumers out there interested in that fake feel than consumers who are not.
      7. Seamless zoom - lol, from 3.5 to 7.1 the zoom is optical on the Xperia. It too notice the shift from one lens to another. If you don't notice it on the iPhone is because they compensate on the sowtware level so that you perceive the shift seamless. But it is not seamless (the lenses do switch!). So, again, basic optics: if you would take a photo at that very moment when lenses shift, it would be logically unsusable. Haha, this is fun: I was thinking how we need to actually change the lenses on our professional cameras if we want a completely different focal lenght. So that type of magic is not for me. But you can go on and live with the illusion that the lens transition is seamless. Close your left eye. Now open your right eye as fast as you can while closing the left eye. Can you do this seamlessly? Lol. You probably do, given the fact that you see beyond 350 ppi at 6.5 inches.
      8. I only had one phone with a notch (P20 Lite, back in the day). I used it for two years, and wasn't able to adjust my perception to that notch.

      However, interesting talk. I could not have imagined 10 years ago to have such a talk about such advanced technology. These companies evolved faster than I expected. And you got me wrong: I believe the iPhone 16 Pro Max is an exceptional device. But I also believe Xperia 1 VI is better overall.

      PS Check for prices (for iPhones too!!!) on other local markets. There happen to be deals better than those mentioned in our dialogue.

        Goodthings, 24 Oct 2024Smithravi, 1. True. The initial argument was that the am... more1. It is limited is fact but not completely useless is also fact.

        2. 15cm is what any human can hold while sleeping. Please take a measuring scale and measure the distance. Also 6.9 inches is what iPhone screen size and not 6.5 inches. It is indeed massive phone and not small device. I do see pixels if you put your eyes closure and for some humans like me do notice the quality overall. Again don't force this on all.

        3. You are right in explaining the Definitions but wrong in understanding and how it works. Apple's cameral control button is a physical "BUTTON". Just google. It is both. If you can't seem to perceive how, then I can't spoon feed you anymore.

        4. Price matters and in the end is a big deal. Sony should not even think about releasing an FHD phone at competitors prices who are gving QHD which is also expensive. In this sense Sony is more expensive for what it offers than others. Resolution is one aspect of that. No body wants to buy a mediocre screen when you can get QHD for same price unless he is imbesil.

        5. If I want to take professional photo, I will take it by professional photographer. Even if you give high end camera to normal user, won't able to click proper pics. So your argument is valid only for niche users/photographers.

        6. As for the camera: Yes Sony excels in some scenarios especial in well lit conditions. Even their technology for telephoto is different and I appreciate it. But results matter. Except in few scenarios, all photos taken in telephoto and low light were bad and definitely not worthy/useful at 1400€ price.

        Just do lens transition on Sony and come back to me. No other Smartphone other than iPhone can do excellent lens transition. It keeps the same colours, contrast and you don't even notice that you are recording on different lenses. Seamless zoom. This you can't say for Sony even though they have better BT2020 more and more. HDR is also something sony is poor. It is not reliable compared to iPhones.

        Yes, I do like uninterrupted screen. I watch lot of content and play games. It is indeed annoying. But that's the price I pay for the rest of the Benefits. Like if I have picked Sony, I would have paid the price in screen resolution, shortcuts automations, all round pictures, reliable features and long SOFTWARE SUPPORT etc.,. I must also add I kind of liked dynamic island features. I loved shortcuts automation (Imagine you can tell what your phone needs to do without touching your phone and based on location, connection and what not)

        With this I'm ending my arguments and I take that you only wants to see your perspective rather than others.

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          • 24 Oct 2024

          Goodthings, 24 Oct 2024It is expensive indeed, but all the other flagships on the ... moreRight now other flagships offers way more features, way longer software support and global availability. It's absurd to mention sony along side google, samsung and apple. I think in near future even Vivo will surpass it easily.

            SonyScamNumberOne, 24 Oct 2024No. I don't like to read spam. Sony is overpriced end ... moreIt is expensive indeed, but all the other flagships on the market right now are. Utterly so.

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              • 24 Oct 2024

              Goodthings, 24 Oct 2024Have you read the comments? You are off topic. No. I don't like to read spam. Sony is overpriced end of topic.

                Smithravi, 24 Oct 20241. It doesn't work on your account doesn't mean i... moreSmithravi,

                1. True. The initial argument was that the amount of time when 4K Sony phones display 4K content is extremely limited. And it's not an argument, it's a fact.

                2. I've tried to place my Xperia 1 VI at 15 cm. Apart from not seeing the actual pixels, I felt odd. Of course nobody is using their phones at that distance. The minimal distance recommended for LCD and OLED screens is three times the diagonal of the screen. In Sony's Case, that is 49.5 cm. In Pro Max's case, that is 52.5. All right, let's lower this to 30. But 15? Why not simply stick your eyeball to the display itself? And I don't particularly entertain the idea of using my phone in the context you mention.

                3. No, I am not wrong. Capacitive (= pertaining to capacitance). The button has sensors that feel the amount of pressure your finger exerts on them and acts accordingly. That is - ellectrically, not mechanically.

                4. Yup, I'm sorry in Germany the prices are higher. But you're still in the same ppi discourse. And I've already explained the realities of the ppi density, which is the threshold, and what are the limits of human vision.

                5. True, I prefer to edit pictures that I've taken and consider especially good. But most of the pictures I take with my phone stay unedited. My argument there was that consumers have somehow developed the idea that a smartphone can take professional photos. No smartphone can do that. It's basic optics. It is, and I repeat myself, amazing what these companies have done given the small sizes of the lenses.

                6. As for the camera:
                a. yup, I too believe telephoto is better managed on the iPhone. It is, again, because of the artefact. Sony is stuck with the idea that the natural look should rule, but they haven't managed to master the tele as they have the wide and the macro.
                b. low light - you just have to use the pro settings and you'll get approximately similar results with Sony. However, I believe low light is utterly bad on all the smartphones right now. And we won't see major improvements in the following years. Again, basic optics.
                c. videos - use the pro settings in Sony. Sony is currently using BT2020, which translates to 5000cd/m2 EOTF HDR. Then take a video shot with iPhone, play it on a 4k display and enjoy the following: slight color fringing, color abberation, overly saturated colors in bright environments, and the lovely, just lovely superimposed contrast that hurts my eyes.
                d. macro - straight out of the bat, the difference is huge. I regret not being able to add a few macro photos taken with my xperia.
                d. telemacro - this is where the limits of DoF become obvious. Sony is the only manufacturer, except for Huawei (Pura 70) to offer this as far as i know. The results are mixed, I believe Huawei has done a better job here. But we're talking literally heads of insects here. The other phones can't even get a decent focus at that distance.
                e. the general feel of the images - I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. They are beautifully natural, so different from what I could get on a Samsung or a Pixel or this iPhone for that matter.

                OK, must get back to work now.

                But I'm still puzzled how you could get accustomed with the display given that horrid cutout (you know very well how nice an uninterruped display is) and lacking front-facing speakers. For me, as far as multimedia content is concerned, these two are essentials.

                  Goodthings, 24 Oct 20241 It doesn't work on my YouTube account. :( However, t... more1. It doesn't work on your account doesn't mean it doesn't work for all of us.

                  2. Maybe you also stick your phone at arms length when you use your phone in bed or while sitting on a toi??? I'm among many who uses phone lot shorter than 15cm depending on the position.

                  3. "Mechanical + capacitive is improper in itself." You are wrong. Capacitive is for just scrolling and mechanical button is for the focus half click and capture click. Like I said, you should check the reviews properly.

                  4. Next time use this official link "https://www.sony.de/store/product/xqec54eukcg.gc/Xperia-1-C2-A0VI-7C-Neues-Teleobjektiv-7C-2-C2-A0Tage-Akkulaufzeit-7C-Helleres-Display-powered-by-BRAVIA-E2-84-A2"
                  I can only speak for the prices in Germany. 256GB version of Sony 1 VI (FHD at 1400€) and iPhone 16 Pro Max (2.8K at 1450€). Yes both are expensive as so all smartphones but FHD screen for 1400€ is sand in your eyes.

                  5. Not everyone wants to edit their pictures maybe?? I personally never edit and just use pics taken directly. Maybe you have different use case and personal preference. Maybe you should not force your preferences on others? For my use case, iPhone does satisfy just like Sony did. To be honest low light photography and telephoto, iPhone did better than Sony comparatively straight off the bat. Videos, don't you even argue. Just go and check the youtube videos or reviews. Check the video samples and then come back to me.

                    SonyScamNumberOne, 24 Oct 2024Guys it's one of the most popular phones in the world ... moreHave you read the comments? You are off topic.

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                      • 24 Oct 2024

                      Goodthings, 24 Oct 20241 It doesn't work on my YouTube account. :( However, t... moreGuys it's one of the most popular phones in the world forum along side samsung. I think we all can agree sony is not worth mentioning because they are overpriced. Less features, less software support, dying in most regions, least popular flagship which costs a lot...

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                        • 24 Oct 2024

                        Andreea, 24 Oct 2024Can I fully use an Iphone 16 Pro Max from US, in Romania, E... moreNo esim in US model and maybe some bands.

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                          • 24 Oct 2024

                          Can I fully use an Iphone 16 Pro Max from US, in Romania, Europe?
                          What do I need to be aware of?
                          Thank you

                            Smithravi, 24 Oct 2024Few things to correct: 1. You don't need to enable... more1 It doesn't work on my YouTube account. :( However, the use of the 4K on Sony phones is super limited, as already stated.

                            2. The human eye can't perceive more than 350 ppi in 6.5 panels. Stating otherwise would be equally informed as stating that the world is flat. And don't keep the panel 15 cm from your eyes. It hurts your eyes. I happen to get my vision checked once a year as I work as a part-time image editor.

                            3. Mechanical + capacitive is improper in itself. The role of a capacitive button is to mimic the behaviour of a mechanical button. But I like the idea of integrating the zoom in the button, though. On the other side, a capacitive button loses the feel of taking a photo. It's so much less natural.

                            4. I've double-checked the price. That particular store doesn't list the Xperia 1 VI any more. I'm based in Romania. You can check (I don't believe I'm allowed to drop links here) on the major Romanian retailers as we speak. It's around 1250 in other stores. But I know Germany, The Netherlands, and the UK up the smarphone prices every now and then. The price discussion is irrelevant. All the smarphones included in this discussion are expensive.

                            5. I am sure you can confirm. I'll pass this information to my wife (she's the main editor in our household). The number of jobs she has already refused from iPhone users (her monitor is professional, color calibrated etc., mine is a simple 4K 32 inch panel) is fun. It goes like this: I need someone to take my photo and make it look exceptional. OK, send the photo. There you go. And then, my wife opens the photo in Photoshop and starts swearing: iPhone pic again. :)) All these devices, be it Sony, Apple, Oppo and what not, are designed to display "nice" photos on their displays. The quantity of artefact in both, say, Samsung and Apple is simply ridiculous. You can't process a decent result even after miles of tweaking in Lightroom. They are striving to make the pics look better, given the size of the lenses. And they've done wonders. But they are still low-consumer wonders. I'm still puzzled why do most of the consumers prefer those fake-looking images, with bumped-up colors, contrast, and sharpness. Whereas, my Nikon 120 mm lenses tell a different story.

                              Goodthings, 23 Oct 2024We should structure this dialogue. 1. 4K A 6.5 inch 4... moreFew things to correct:

                              1. You don't need to enable 4K on YouTube each time. By default it is at QHD and once you choose 4K. I never needed to change. Now I'm doubting your use case. Maybe change settings in your YouTube account??

                              Also human eye can't perceive more than 350ppi is BS. It depends on lot of factors. For example the distance you're looking at your phone. I can see pixels with FHD screen at 15cmand lower so your argument is invalid here.

                              Also the pictures and 4K videos you take are useless unless you have 4K screen, your poor eyes can't notice any difference. So maybe everyone should stop recording 4k videos ? Samsung should even dump the 8K because who has 8K TVs and monitors 😂 haha. Also there are few other apps which supported 4K recently on mobile devices. I guess Amazon prime is one of them which played UHD.

                              2. Trust me and even Apple said it. It is a two in one button. Physical/mechanical plus capacitive. It was proved and quoted by lot of reviewers too. So yes it's more than just mechanical shutter button but it is still a button.

                              3. Price: Just Google and go to Sony Germany. Select your device and check for handlers. You'll see 1400€ for Xperia 1 VI base price with 256GB. I don't know how you bought it cheaper, maybe you live in Britain? Even their newly launched scarlet red 1 VI is at 1500€ though it's 512 GB.

                              4. I have seen with my own eyes. I can confirm that videos on iPhone are lot better than any android. Period.

                                Smithravi, 23 Oct 2024- No, I expect at least QHD for 1400€ where Sony failed. 4K... moreWe should structure this dialogue.

                                1. 4K

                                A 6.5 inch 4K display renders approximately 640 ppi. You cannot miss what you cannot see. When Apple patented the Retina Display, they missed the mark with approximately 50 ppi. Back then, 300 ppi was what they called norm. However, the maximum ppi the human eye can perceive is around 350. Your eyes are unable to spot pixels from a 6.5 4K display. They are simply too small. Do you understand that? And then it comes the fun fact that you were actually looking at FHD content. The only instances where Sony Xperia 1 V and the previous models render the content in 4K are very specific: 4K YouTube videos (you have to enable it in settings each and every time, otherwise even YouTube will play FHD), 4K native videos (I'm sure you've shot hundreads :) ), and a few other very specific apps. You actually did not use a 4K display, do you understand that? Back in the day, I compared my Xperia 5 ii with my brother's Xperia 1 ii: played the same 4K video on both. Noone in the room was able to tell absolutely any difference between the two panels. They were identical in rendering, though the 5 ii's was a tad smaller.

                                2. iPhone button

                                You are correct, my miss! Though it's capacitive, not mechanical. I've just searched it: lol, they market the existence of the button as they own invention. Yet again, they invent something that has been around for years.

                                3. aspect ratio

                                I agree, I too believe it was a move to appease new potential fans. And I miss the 21:9 aspect ratio everybody hated. Somehow, I've got accustomed to this one and I enjoy the fact that most of the movies on streaming services fit better. For regular portrait browsing and Sony movies though, the 21:9 was impeccable.

                                4. Sony

                                I can see you appreciate this brand, actually that's why I'm taking the time to answer to your comment. I too had a Z5 for a couple of years. Lovely phone. But I'm slightly puzzled about the price you keep on mentioning. I'm located in the EU. I bought my phone for exactly 1170 euros (which is still expensive imho). And you can easily go for even less and add more storage space on the SD card, should you need it.

                                5. Cameras

                                Of course they are closer, it's the same Sony sensor on both devices, apart from software. With video content though I tend to disagree. Once you try to process iPhone videos, you get to see the quantity of artefact. However, they've improved a lot. In my oppinion, any iPhone camera before 13 rendered very poor photos. On the other side, for good videos with the Xperia 1 VI, you need to use the pro mode, I agree. Try shooting in raw and you'll understand my point.

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                                  Smithravi, 23 Oct 2024- I know Sony was the only manufacturer to give "4K sc... moreDepends on user experience

                                    Goodthings, 23 Oct 2024- So you expect 4K from Sony and lower resolution from the ... more- No, I expect at least QHD for 1400€ where Sony failed. 4K comes at the cost of 120Hz. So yes I expect Sony to provide 4K while others QHD at 120Hz.
                                    - Do some research, iPhone has two buttons now. One for power button and other dedicated camera control which acts as shutter button.
                                    - Obviously you are frog in a well. After using both Sony and iphone, 4K Resolution is what I'm missing in iPhone. You keep on use that FHD. But at 1400€, man get out of here with your FHD. I'm not spending that much for FHD.
                                    - They went back on aspect ratio and FHD to appease other fans obviously. FHD for 120HZ even though they can also do it with 4K screen. Who knows what's next.
                                    - You can check my old comments here on gsmarena. Go to Sony Xperia 1 II and Z5 comment section. And come back. I have advocated for Sony for so long but now at this price range, Sony is giving me less compared to others. Of course any smartphone requires compromises. I just find for my use case iPhone better.

                                    Cameras on iPhone are lot closer to Sony than Samsung or pixel. Again I have used both. Videos you can't even argue, iPhone is the best.

                                      SonyScamNumberOne, 23 Oct 2024"please enlighten me what company offers two-step mech... more:)) Nokia Lumia 800! Excellent find, you must have done your research. Did you know that Kodak Jiffy 620 (II) was released in 1937? That too had a shutter button.

                                        Smithravi, 23 Oct 2024- I know Sony was the only manufacturer to give "4K sc... more- So you expect 4K from Sony and lower resolution from the other companies? That sounds almost affectionate; :)
                                        - That is not a dedicated shutter button, neither is it mechanical. That is the power button and it is capacitive;
                                        - No, it doesn't. Unless you have some spider's eyes and are able to see beyond 350 ppi, which no man can. The contrast is great on other devices too. The color range is a joke in relation to Sony's. And that applies to the camera too.
                                        - I don't understand how they "went back" with aspect ratio. They changed it from 21:9 (which was lovely) to 19.5 (which is equally decent). What are you talking about?
                                        - I strongly doubt you've owned a Sony. Otherwise, your comments would be better calibrated.

                                        However, beyond all that, the differences between Sony Xperia 1 VI and other flagship smartphones are not the general differences one would expect between two flagship phones. The phone is exceptional and lovely.

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