Huawei Mate 50 Pro

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• AnonD-1026644
• RIC
• 05 Oct 2022

Anonymous, 05 Oct 2022It's not dishonesty, it's being realistic. You�... moreYes, I'm targeting dishonest manufacturers. Sorry.
I know what you meant.
I'm just saying that fixed lenses should not be marketed with the term "optical zoom."

Forbes said it, Android Authority said it, Wikipedia said so, Gsmarena defines it, so what should I add?

I'm only telling the truth about true optical zooms as we can see with two phones that exists:
2022: Xperia 1 IV
2003: Galaxy S4 Zoom

In Mate 50 Pro, the "3.5x optical zoom" was added which as Forbes describes as "fake optical zoom." And again, not my word.

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• Anonymous
• pLi
• 05 Oct 2022

AnonD-1026644, 03 Oct 2022Research confirms that you're dishonest. Android Au... moreIt's not dishonesty, it's being realistic. You're only being naive, because:

1. I never said s20/21 has optical zoom. Yes, scamsung is dishonest, not me.

2. None of the articles deny smartphones having optical zoom. They say "These cameras only offer one level of optical zoom though". So the authors accept at least one level of optical zoom (which is done at a different sensor, but results in same field of view and optical magnification if focal length of main sensor was changed). This isn't any different than what I said. I never said smartphones have variable optical zoom, except some Xperia phones, and s4/K zoom from samsung in past (when they weren't scamsung, lol).

However, some people here and you are being naive and outright denying phones with a telephoto lens have optical zoom simply because of invariable focal length. Come on, understand the context and limitations in smartphones, variable focal length isn't easy as it needs space and moving parts. So, the best thing right now is a separate sensor with a longer focal length. And even Xperia 1IV separates the zoom sensor even though lens of it can move to change focal length. So we're only left with s4//k zoom?

And let's not push OEMs away from whatever good they still have. Would you rather have them putting 5mp, even 2mp macro cameras instead of a 3x or 5x camera which doesn't involve digial zoom (hence optical)?

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• Evil crash bandicoot
• 7}N
• 04 Oct 2022

This become strange with those dragons

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• Anonymous
• Tui
• 04 Oct 2022

killer deal, no google or 5g.. lets buy 2 :D

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• Anonymous
• cT{
• 03 Oct 2022

I don't know anything about this phone and will never own one, thanks Trump, but that orange is sexy.

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• LucaKirani
• mxj
• 03 Oct 2022

Mollisol, 03 Oct 2022The ugly NOTCH is the deal breaker for me. Sh#t Hauwei why?... moreHow then they had this design on the mate 20 series

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• Mollisol
• frV
• 03 Oct 2022

The ugly NOTCH is the deal breaker for me. Sh#t Hauwei why?? Wanna be 🍏

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• AnonD-1026644
• 3sc
• 03 Oct 2022

Anonymous, 02 Oct 2022"On a smartphone, as someone mentioned, the focal leng... moreResearch confirms that you're dishonest.

Android Authority enlightens their readers on what optical zoom really means:

"Misleading technical terms:

Some smartphone companies like to muddy the waters by introducing smartphone camera marketing terms disguised as technical terms, sometimes in an attempt to confuse readers. This practice is particularly prevalent when it comes to zoom technology.

For example, Samsung invented the “hybrid-optic zoom” term instead of saying the Galaxy S20 and S21 simply used hybrid zoom technology. It added the “optic” term, leading some to think that the phones had telephoto/optical zoom when they actually lacked this technology." (1)

"Optical zoom in the context of a smartphone sees telephoto or so-called periscope cameras being used for zoomed-in shots. These cameras only offer one level of optical zoom though (e.g. 2x, 5x) rather than DSLR cameras, which are capable of moving lenses to offer several optical zoom levels." (2)

Articles quoted:
1. "Looking for a new phone? Watch out for these camera marketing trends"
2. "Don't believe what smartphone manufacturers tell you about zoom"

Hope this is clear, honest, and not misleading like all the other advertising lingoes that manufacturers are notoriously using.

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• Bionic Chip
• 7Xd
• 03 Oct 2022

Fixed lenses don't have true optical zoom. End of story.

Moving forward, it's great to see a proper variable aperture being implemented on the Mate 50 series. You also get it on the Mate 50E which is just an awesome thing that Huawei have done.

I'm looking forward to proper zoom lenses (like that of Xperia 1 IV) from here on out.

If I have to choose between Mate 50 Pro and Xperia 1 IV,
Mate 50 Pro has the advantage over the variable focal length of Xperia's true zoom lens because of the higher resolution. Plus, variable aperture is more exciting for me.

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• Customer Support
• as3
• 03 Oct 2022

Anonymous, 02 Oct 2022You guys have no clue how a periscope achieves optimal magn... moreI understand that you want everyone to understand what a periscope is and prove everyone else wrong. Let me help you with that. Uhmmm...No.

If you need further assistance with your tantrums, please let you mum know.

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• Customer Support
• as3
• 03 Oct 2022

Bionic Chip, 02 Oct 2022Good point. Xperia 1 IV is a great example of what a true o... more"Seamless zoom works from 16m to 85mm as digital zoom, f̲r̲o̲m̲ ̲8̲5̲ ̲t̲o̲ ̲1̲2̲5̲m̲m̲ ̲a̲s̲ ̲o̲p̲t̲i̲c̲a̲l̲ ̲z̲o̲o̲m̲, and from 126 to 375mm as digital zoom."

Sony is spot on. Anyone who thinks that a bunch of fixed lenses in a triple camera setup can achieve "true" optical zoom is just incompetent.

If you have other concerns please don't let me know.

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• Anonymous
• p1g
• 02 Oct 2022

Anonymous, 02 Oct 2022you can take photos with the full resolution with every pho... more*... on the main camera.

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• Anonymous
• p1g
• 02 Oct 2022

Anonymous, 02 Oct 2022The low 12mp resolution is a problem in all phones today. T... moreyou can take photos with the full resolution with every phone on the whole planet. you can switch between 12MP binned photos and full resolution photos, e.g. the s22 ultra can take 12MP binned photos but you can also switch to 108MP (12000x9000 pixels).
maybe the tele lens on huawei mate 50 pro only offers 12MP binned photos, but all phones allow full resolution photo taking.

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• SONY FAIL
• 803
• 02 Oct 2022

:))) Sony is down.
SONY is fail, they make only awfull cameras, even Sony K800 will make better picture than xperia 1, xperia 1,3v, xperia 1,2,3,4V.. and the hillaroius numbers continue.

Nokia 1020 beat everything on this list.
Nokia 808 beat everything after 10 years.

When somebody will make a NOKIA 1020 + NOKIA 808 fusions, then will be a change in camera departement..

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• Anonymous
• pLi
• 02 Oct 2022

Anonymous, 02 Oct 2022i agree. it is a pity that sony still uses a small 1/1.7&qu... moreThe low 12mp resolution is a problem in all phones today. Those with 108 or even 200mp advertised resolution are fake as they bin it to 12mp. Some phones bin to 16mp and very few bin to 27mp.
I think Sony will use bigger sensor next year, but it will still bin to 12mp unfortunately.

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• Anonymous
• Nue
• 02 Oct 2022

You guys have no clue how a periscope achieves optimal magnification when the quotient factors of 3.5x is bilaterally compared to a DSRL. Listen. Every phone manufacturer, last time i check always uses a multiple of 50-120 cc as a a base index for 3.30am to generate a corresponding clear sight of each lens.

Now, a 3 lens module can incrementally raise heat with the algorithm thereby blocking every possibility of 50x3 general rule. You can find this basically in every zeiss coated glass on all optical lens which effectively lowers all fake 100x zoom denotation. I must add that if you are still reading this then you must be a bozo. A very terrible one just like the rest of the folks that are here raising pointless arguments.

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• Anonymous
• p1g
• 02 Oct 2022

Bionic Chip, 02 Oct 2022Good point. Xperia 1 IV is a great example of what a true o... morei agree. it is a pity that sony still uses a small 1/1.7" main camera sensor with only 12MP. the resolution is too low to make the photos usable. same with ultra-wide. only telephoto is kind of an advantage. but i would still prefer huawei because of high resolution and quality pictures (sony is not even close to delivering good photos, why should i care about professional photography aesthetics when the photos are crap?). hybrid/tele zoom is 64MP and the variable aperture is currently unique.

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• Bionic Chip
• 7Xd
• 02 Oct 2022

Anonymous, 02 Oct 2022Hopefully one day our phones' main camera will have va... moreGood point. Xperia 1 IV is a great example of what a true optical zoom actually is:

As per Sony's advertised telephoto zoom lens: "...85-125mm TRUE optical zoom."

Anything that doesn't work as such are fake optical zooms.

Sony even clarifies further on their website:
"Seamless zoom works from 16m to 85mm as digital zoom, f̲r̲o̲m̲ ̲8̲5̲ ̲t̲o̲ ̲1̲2̲5̲m̲m̲ ̲a̲s̲ ̲o̲p̲t̲i̲c̲a̲l̲ ̲z̲o̲o̲m̲, and from 126 to 375mm as digital zoom."

Therefore, based on these published facts, t̲h̲e̲ ̲o̲p̲t̲i̲c̲a̲l̲ ̲z̲o̲o̲m̲ ̲o̲n̲l̲y̲ ̲a̲p̲p̲l̲i̲e̲s̲ ̲t̲o̲ ̲t̲h̲e̲ ̲t̲e̲l̲e̲p̲h̲o̲t̲o̲ ̲m̲o̲d̲u̲l̲e̲.̲

The other types of zooming with the telephoto, in conjunction with other camera modules, are either called hybrid zoom, digital zoom, or seamless zoom; NOT optical zoom.

T̲r̲u̲e̲ ̲o̲p̲t̲i̲c̲a̲l̲ ̲z̲o̲o̲m̲i̲n̲g̲ ̲i̲n̲ ̲X̲p̲e̲r̲i̲a̲ ̲1̲ ̲I̲V̲ ̲i̲s̲ ̲e̲x̲c̲l̲u̲s̲i̲v̲e̲ ̲t̲o̲ ̲i̲t̲s̲ ̲t̲e̲l̲e̲p̲h̲o̲t̲o̲ ̲z̲o̲o̲m̲ ̲l̲e̲n̲s̲ ̲a̲l̲o̲n̲e̲.̲

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• Customer Support
• 8wS
• 02 Oct 2022

Bionic Chip, 02 Oct 2022"To create that magnification effect cameras use a set... moreThank you for clarifying.

Using "optical zoom" to describe a fixed lens is misleading. Therefore, this optical zoom thingy they used here is a sham.

However, Samsung Galaxy S4 zoom is the only phone I've seen so far with true zoom lens:
https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_zoom-5447.php

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• Bionic Chip
• 7Xd
• 02 Oct 2022

Anonymous, 01 Oct 2022I won't be making further comments on this topic as an... more"To create that magnification effect cameras use a set of moving optical lenses - hence the name 'optical zoom'."
—GSMARENA

The way you presented the optical zoom involves two separate FIXED lenses. So the term "optical zoom" can't be applied here.

Optical zoom—as GSMARENA defines it—requires "a set of MOVING optical lenses." Clearly, not a FIXED lens nor it refers to separate lenses.

Source:
https://www.gsmarena.com/glossary.php3?term=optical-zoom

Separate FIXED lenses don't qualify as zoom, hence, the term "optical zoom" you are referring to in Mate 50 Pro is just a fancy invention.

And again, the right way to write and PRESENT lens specs, here are few examples as presented by Sony and Sigma:

Fixed lenses (prime lenses, NO optical zoom whatsoever):
✔️ Sony FE 50mm F1.2 GM Lens
✔️ Sigma 24mm f/3.5

Zoom lenses (with real MOVING optical lenses):
✔️ Sigma 14-24mm F2.8 DG DN
✔️ Sony FE 70-300 mm F4.5-5.6 G OSS

You were teaching me this:
❌ 64 MP, f/3.5, 90mm (periscope telephoto), PDAF, OIS, 3.5x optical zoom

When it should be like this
✔️ 64 MP, f/3.5, 90mm, PDAF, OIS

"3.5x optical zoom" should be removed since it's a FIXED lens.

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