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  • SONY FAIL
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  • 02 Oct 2022

:))) Sony is down.
SONY is fail, they make only awfull cameras, even Sony K800 will make better picture than xperia 1, xperia 1,3v, xperia 1,2,3,4V.. and the hillaroius numbers continue.

Nokia 1020 beat everything on this list.
Nokia 808 beat everything after 10 years.

When somebody will make a NOKIA 1020 + NOKIA 808 fusions, then will be a change in camera departement..

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    • Anonymous
    • pLi
    • 02 Oct 2022

    Anonymous, 02 Oct 2022i agree. it is a pity that sony still uses a small 1/1.7&qu... moreThe low 12mp resolution is a problem in all phones today. Those with 108 or even 200mp advertised resolution are fake as they bin it to 12mp. Some phones bin to 16mp and very few bin to 27mp.
    I think Sony will use bigger sensor next year, but it will still bin to 12mp unfortunately.

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      • Anonymous
      • Nue
      • 02 Oct 2022

      You guys have no clue how a periscope achieves optimal magnification when the quotient factors of 3.5x is bilaterally compared to a DSRL. Listen. Every phone manufacturer, last time i check always uses a multiple of 50-120 cc as a a base index for 3.30am to generate a corresponding clear sight of each lens.

      Now, a 3 lens module can incrementally raise heat with the algorithm thereby blocking every possibility of 50x3 general rule. You can find this basically in every zeiss coated glass on all optical lens which effectively lowers all fake 100x zoom denotation. I must add that if you are still reading this then you must be a bozo. A very terrible one just like the rest of the folks that are here raising pointless arguments.

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        • Anonymous
        • p1g
        • 02 Oct 2022

        Bionic Chip, 02 Oct 2022Good point. Xperia 1 IV is a great example of what a true o... morei agree. it is a pity that sony still uses a small 1/1.7" main camera sensor with only 12MP. the resolution is too low to make the photos usable. same with ultra-wide. only telephoto is kind of an advantage. but i would still prefer huawei because of high resolution and quality pictures (sony is not even close to delivering good photos, why should i care about professional photography aesthetics when the photos are crap?). hybrid/tele zoom is 64MP and the variable aperture is currently unique.

          Anonymous, 02 Oct 2022Hopefully one day our phones' main camera will have va... moreGood point. Xperia 1 IV is a great example of what a true optical zoom actually is:

          As per Sony's advertised telephoto zoom lens: "...85-125mm TRUE optical zoom."

          Anything that doesn't work as such are fake optical zooms.

          Sony even clarifies further on their website:
          "Seamless zoom works from 16m to 85mm as digital zoom, f̲r̲o̲m̲ ̲8̲5̲ ̲t̲o̲ ̲1̲2̲5̲m̲m̲ ̲a̲s̲ ̲o̲p̲t̲i̲c̲a̲l̲ ̲z̲o̲o̲m̲, and from 126 to 375mm as digital zoom."

          Therefore, based on these published facts, t̲h̲e̲ ̲o̲p̲t̲i̲c̲a̲l̲ ̲z̲o̲o̲m̲ ̲o̲n̲l̲y̲ ̲a̲p̲p̲l̲i̲e̲s̲ ̲t̲o̲ ̲t̲h̲e̲ ̲t̲e̲l̲e̲p̲h̲o̲t̲o̲ ̲m̲o̲d̲u̲l̲e̲.̲

          The other types of zooming with the telephoto, in conjunction with other camera modules, are either called hybrid zoom, digital zoom, or seamless zoom; NOT optical zoom.

          T̲r̲u̲e̲ ̲o̲p̲t̲i̲c̲a̲l̲ ̲z̲o̲o̲m̲i̲n̲g̲ ̲i̲n̲ ̲X̲p̲e̲r̲i̲a̲ ̲1̲ ̲I̲V̲ ̲i̲s̲ ̲e̲x̲c̲l̲u̲s̲i̲v̲e̲ ̲t̲o̲ ̲i̲t̲s̲ ̲t̲e̲l̲e̲p̲h̲o̲t̲o̲ ̲z̲o̲o̲m̲ ̲l̲e̲n̲s̲ ̲a̲l̲o̲n̲e̲.̲

            Bionic Chip, 02 Oct 2022"To create that magnification effect cameras use a set... moreThank you for clarifying.

            Using "optical zoom" to describe a fixed lens is misleading. Therefore, this optical zoom thingy they used here is a sham.

            However, Samsung Galaxy S4 zoom is the only phone I've seen so far with true zoom lens:
            https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_zoom-5447.php

              Anonymous, 01 Oct 2022I won't be making further comments on this topic as an... more"To create that magnification effect cameras use a set of moving optical lenses - hence the name 'optical zoom'."
              —GSMARENA

              The way you presented the optical zoom involves two separate FIXED lenses. So the term "optical zoom" can't be applied here.

              Optical zoom—as GSMARENA defines it—requires "a set of MOVING optical lenses." Clearly, not a FIXED lens nor it refers to separate lenses.

              Source:
              https://www.gsmarena.com/glossary.php3?term=optical-zoom

              Separate FIXED lenses don't qualify as zoom, hence, the term "optical zoom" you are referring to in Mate 50 Pro is just a fancy invention.

              And again, the right way to write and PRESENT lens specs, here are few examples as presented by Sony and Sigma:

              Fixed lenses (prime lenses, NO optical zoom whatsoever):
              ✔️ Sony FE 50mm F1.2 GM Lens
              ✔️ Sigma 24mm f/3.5

              Zoom lenses (with real MOVING optical lenses):
              ✔️ Sigma 14-24mm F2.8 DG DN
              ✔️ Sony FE 70-300 mm F4.5-5.6 G OSS

              You were teaching me this:
              ❌ 64 MP, f/3.5, 90mm (periscope telephoto), PDAF, OIS, 3.5x optical zoom

              When it should be like this
              ✔️ 64 MP, f/3.5, 90mm, PDAF, OIS

              "3.5x optical zoom" should be removed since it's a FIXED lens.

                77, 01 Oct 2022Ugly nasty iPhone notch ruined itThank you for your sentiment. Sorry if the product doesn't meet your expectations. The Mate 50 Pro's notch houses a 13 MP ultrawide and biometrics sensor. Instead of adding two separate punch holes or a pill-shaped one, a small notch was added.

                If you need further help on choosing the right device to purchase, I can't do that.

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                  • AnonD-1026644
                  • yNQ
                  • 02 Oct 2022

                  Anonymous, 01 Oct 2022I won't be making further comments on this topic as an... moreOf course, these are all fixed lenses. And phone manufacturers can portray the telephoto as "zoom" by dividing its focal length to a "separate" and widest camera module. It's a made up thing.

                  I suggest that you visit a camera store, ask for a zoom lens, and look at the zoom factor. You'll get numbers like ~3x, ~4x, etc.

                  Presenting a single FIXED lens with an optical zoom factor is simply a pathetic attempt to mislead consumers.

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                    • Anonymous
                    • pLi
                    • 02 Oct 2022

                    AnonD-1026644, 01 Oct 2022I think both of you are referring to different calculations... more"On a smartphone, as someone mentioned, the focal length of the telephoto camera is divided to the focal length of the main to get the optical zoom factor. Is it the standard way of doing it? For decades of photography, I think someone just made that up."

                    Actually it's not made up, research confirms it, I request you to divide the telephoto lens's of any smartphone by it's main sensor's focal length, and you'll get the advertised zoom factor. e.g, s22 ultra's 230mm telephoto/23mm main=10x zoom as advertised. it works for any phones, try it out, it's quite consistent other than some rounding down. Also you'll find that ultrawide sensor has almost half the focal length of main one (13mm for s22u).

                    unlike in DSLR/mirrorless, on phones you can't take off and put on lenses on a sensor. so you have multiple sensors each with different focal lengths for different purpose (and main sensor is used as the reference 1x, usually 23mm-26mm of equivalent focal length).

                    And if fact, in that case, if your fisheye lens is 7mm and telephoto is 600mm, then indeed it's ~85x zoom but, only as a relation between that fisheye lens and telephoto. Would you really use 7mm fisheye as a reference? Or rather the standard one which varies between 35mm - 85mm?
                    So, lets say your standard lens has 60mm focal length and telephoto 600mm. then it's 10x zoom.

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                      • Anonymous
                      • pLi
                      • 02 Oct 2022

                      Bionic Chip, 01 Oct 2022Very funny. This is how a zoom lens specs should be present... moreHopefully one day our phones' main camera will have variable focal lengths, so we won't need separate telephoto/ultrawide modules. Galaxy K and s4 zoom design poses many problems for a day-to-day smartphones which is why it's not been carried on.
                      But now Xperia 1-IV has a telephoto camera where the lens moves back and forth in a periscope assembly to change focal length and you can do continuous zoom.
                      I think it's actually doable now if they don't mind increasing the phone's thickness by some, We should be fully for it. Who wouldn't like to get same quality in their ultrawide and telephoto as main sensor in expense of some added thickness?

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                        • mXr
                        • 01 Oct 2022

                        Ugly nasty iPhone notch ruined it

                          AnonD-1026644, 01 Oct 2022I think both of you are referring to different calculations... moreYou should be referring to a 12mm ultrawide lens as base focal length (not 7mm).
                          On your bag was another lens unit: a 600mm telephoto with a 2x teleconverter.

                          600mm * 2x = 1200mm
                          1200mm/12mm = 100x

                          That gives you a 100x optical zoom as a whole person carrying a camera and a bag full of lenses. Genius.

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                            • Tele Divided by Main
                            • yNQ
                            • 01 Oct 2022

                            AnonD-1026644, 01 Oct 2022I think both of you are referring to different calculations... moreExactly.
                            By doing that, you get bigger optical zoom factors. Good for advertising.

                              Customer Support, 01 Oct 2022Don't force it. This is how the phone industry set the... moreVery funny. This is how a zoom lens specs should be presented; not with some silly tele/main/ultrawide focal length division non.sense:

                              Zoom lens:
                              16 MP, 1/2.33", 24-240mm, 10x optical zoom, AF, OIS

                              If it's a fixed 90mm lens then:
                              f/3.5, 90mm, PDAF, OIS, 3̶.̶5̶x̶ ̶o̶p̶t̶i̶c̶a̶l̶ ̶z̶o̶o̶m̶

                              The specs only refers to one lens, 1 camera module, straightforward.

                              Source:
                              https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_zoom-5447.php

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                                • bglps
                                • p3f
                                • 01 Oct 2022

                                I don't really understand this lens now-a-days, but I will wait for the phone to come out so I can try it out myself, bc for me the zoom from p40 pro or the mate 40 pro are much better than this one or p50 pro.

                                  Bionic Chip, 01 Oct 2022Thank you. I guess you also like to divide the telephoto�... moreDon't force it. This is how the phone industry set the specs for the zoom factor: it includes all the camera modules, unfortunately. That's silly but that's how it is. For me I can't be fooled by those claimed optical zoom because, like you, I also do this stu.pid thing called critical thinking.

                                    notafanboy, 01 Oct 2022Man you're so smart, everyone wants to be like you.Thank you. I guess you also like to divide the telephoto's focal length to the main cam's. That's the smartest thing in the world of photography. Separate camera modules, the same optical zoom. Wow.

                                    If that's the case, the following statements are all du.mb:

                                    SLR Lounge:
                                    "For example, a 50-100mm zoom lens would be 2x zoom, and a 50-150mm zoom would be a 3x zoom."

                                    Sigma:
                                    "To determine the overall zoom ratio of the lens, simply divide the longest focal length by the shortest."

                                      notafanboy, 01 Oct 2022Man you're so smart, everyone wants to be like you.He's talking about dedicated zoom lenses for DSLRs. The zoom factor is indeed, the quotient of the max zoom and the base focal length.

                                      The other guy is talking about smartphone with multiple cameras which is a different story, unfortunately.

                                        Bionic Chip, 01 Oct 2022I contacted Huawei and confirmed that the 3.5x zoom factor ... moreMan you're so smart, everyone wants to be like you.

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