Motorola ThinkPhone 25
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- mawlki
- 00$
- 02 Oct 2024
This would have been a perfect opportunity to include an actual 3,5mm audio jack input in this work-oriënted phone, for the sake of extreme functionality.
Not going to discuss this further here. This world has gone crazy.
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- Anonymous
- 8wk
- 02 Oct 2024
Anonymous, 02 Oct 20244310mAh in 2024?It's a mini phone so the battery would be smaller, but this is a little less than the competitors
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- engineblock
- iA2
- 02 Oct 2024
NeonHD, 02 Oct 2024Wow, looks like small(ish) phones are back!They need to be. Honestly i cant understand why would people love those bigger than 6,7 in.
I have an Edge 30 Neo (6,28 in). Its screen broke and i temporarily shifted to g82 (slightly larger). I felt so relieved to hold back my smaller Motorola 30 Neo as i could not bear the size of g82.
Phones need to be maximum 6,3 in and under 180 grams.
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- Dong
- M5A
- 02 Oct 2024
Where is Snapdragon 8 series?
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- Whatever
- 3L4
- 02 Oct 2024
It looks like the same spec of Moto Edge 50 Neo... Even screen, chipset, cameras, battery, only storage UFS vs uMCP. Hmmm and design too. Only Lenovo Carbon style on the back
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- Anonymous
- tPG
- 02 Oct 2024
4310mAh in 2024?
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- Effort Post
- 3g5
- 02 Oct 2024
I find myself somewhat taken aback by the prevailing negative tone in the comments section. If the MSRP is indeed set at 499€, it stands to reason that this device will be attainable brand new—with invoice and warranty—for 350€ NET before the close of 2024. Case in point: just last month, French Amazon-like vendors were offering brand new Edge 50 Pro 512GB bundled with Bose QC Earbuds for 499€, despite the smartphone itself having an MSRP of 699€. And, no, this "price-lowering" reasoning does not apply to all Android smartphones! I'm looking at you in particular, Sony and Google!
Given this context, this is easily a 9/10 smartphone at the 350€ price point, without any exaggerations (I say this as someone who has used the latest iPhone Pro Max as his primary device for the past 6-7 years). It's merely an aluminium frame, UFS 3.0/3.1 and 4700-4800mAh battery shy of a perfect 10/10 smartphone at the 350-400€ price point. Though Motorola has a clean, stock-like software and has generally managed to squeeze out the most of relatively tiny batteries in recent memory, in an Apple-like fashion, thus the modest battery capacity may be mitigated. Should its Active Use Score exceed 12:00, I will purchase it for my mother.
Essentially, this device is a more robust, aesthetically refined Edge 50 Neo, with additional pro/business and security features. While the inclusion of Gorilla Glass 3 on that device was a disappointment, Thinkphone 25 boasts Gorilla Glass 7i (which I hope will be on par with Gorilla Glass 5 or even 6) and exceptionally durable aramid fiber. Having utilized a OnePlus 12 encased in aramid fiber for the past two months as my second device, I can personally attest to its remarkable durability.
As I can, moreover, to the addictive, transformative nature of fast charging, especially after years of enduring 90+ minute charging sessions with my iPhones. While 68W (Thinkphone 25) can not rival 100W (OnePlus 12), it certainly aligns with what most consumers instinctively recognize as and expect from “fast charging.” Beyond a certain threshold, these differences become increasingly negligible and inconsequential—much like 60Hz vs 90-120Hz vis-à-vis 120Hz vs 165Hz. It’s also noteworthy that Motorola includes a FAST charger in the box, a benefit absent from its two most direct competitors, Galaxy A55 (350-380€ NET for 256GB atm) and Pixel 8A (450-500€ NET for 256GB atm), setting aside that the latter two don't even support fast charging.
The provision of five Android updates and five years of security updates is the true game changer, though—not only for consumers but also for environmental sustainability and the refurbished smartphone market. Many have gravitated toward Asus, Sony, and Motorola due to their stock-like software (why do you think so many resell their premium and ultra premium Vivo/Xiaomi/Oppo devices within few months, perfectly conscious of the financial loss thus inflicted on themselves?), but were put off by the miserable update policies. With this robust update policy, Motorola now counters one of the primary selling points of Galaxy and Pixel devices.
And other brands will be forced to adapt, especially considering the EU-mandated five years of support starting from June 2025. That and industry-wide Oppo-like guarantee of 1600 battery cycles by 2028 would be UTOPIAN. No need to mandate/enforce removable batteries in that scenario. (It's highly unlikely that any non-Ultra/Max device can last more than five years, so five years of support is not only enough but optimal even: trust me, you won't see many Pixel 8A devices with Android 21 in 2030s.)
According to DxOMark’s (albeit contentious) ranking system, Edge 50 Neo's camera score of 115 is perfectly respectable, surpassing those of Galaxy A55 (108) and especially of Xperia 10 V (78), yet falling short of that flagship 130+ range, achieved by Pixel 7A/8A. The presence of three proper, functional rear cameras at the 350-400€ price point is quite rare, regardless, and you get a decent 4K@30fps selfie camera. (Take notes, oh Chinese brands with 1080p@30fps selfie cameras!) All in all, sufficiently versatile and powerful for your normie user. Those with a genuine interest in photography and videography typically invest in dedicated devices or opt for smartphones priced well over 1000€.
With its 6.36" display, slim bezels, and an impressive screen-to-body ratio that puts Pixel 8A to shame, lighter than both Galaxy A55 and Pixel 8A, perfectly usable without a case (boasting IP68 and MIL-STD-810H compliance), it can rightly be classified as, and win extra points for, being a true compact device. Ditto for its "business" design.
The unimpressive Mediatek processor employed should adequately serve most prospective buyers nonetheless, as no one would select a Thinkphone for gaming—there are alternatives from Asus, Nubia, and Poco tailored for that purpose—but I DO wish it featured a SoC with a Geekbench 6 single-core score of 1300-1600 and a multi-core score of 4000-5000 for future-proofing, along with 12-16GB of RAM, UFS 3.0/3.1, 4700-5000mAh battery and aluminium frame, at the MSRP of (ideally) 599€.
Please note that I'm in no way affiliated with Lenovo or Motorola, but am sincerely delighted to see an all around mid-range device emerge. Last year, I used Sony XPeria 10 V as my gym device and thought to myself: with 90-120Hz, HDR10+, aluminium frame, slightly better cameras (DxOMark 110-120 instead of 78), slightly more powerful SoC (say, 1300 and 3600 Geekbench 6), 12GB of RAM and 256-512GB of UFS 3.0/3.1 storage, this would be a "good enough in every regard" device for most. Simply put, I resented the absence of all around mid-rangers, so to speak, though I understood that their existence makes no sense for manufacturers from a financial standpoint as they would be literal flagship killers.
In my utopian world, there would be 500€ devices with (say) 10-12MP telephoto cameras with 2-2.5x optical zoom and 12-16MP decent-enough ultrawides (so that the overall DxOMark camera score is 120), Geekbench 6 scores of 1250-1500 and 4000-4500, UFS 3.0/3.1, 30-45W wired charging etc., you get the picture, good enough in every way without truly excelling in anything, without anything that is "latest and greatest" (WiFi 7, Bluetooth 5.4, AoD, Dolby Vision, QHD+, 144-165Hz, 1500+nits peak brightness, titanium frame, 80-125W fast charging, wireless and reverse wireless charging, UFS 4.0, IP69, etc.—these premium features, SoC with 1.8x higher Geekbench 6 & AnTuTu benchmarks, and camera systems rated by DxOMark as 150-165 tier would be the differentiating factors between 1250+€ ultra flagships and 500-550€ all-around devices.)
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- Beaker
- PAc
- 02 Oct 2024
Just a Edge 50 Neo with a different case? Disappointed that DP alt mode is gone now so only wireless ReadyFor/Smart Connect
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- AJq
- 01 Oct 2024
Auguste, 01 Oct 2024Every September, for five years in a row now, I've upd... moreWhat are you even babbling on about?
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- Anonymous
- 33S
- 01 Oct 2024
Anonymous, 01 Oct 20244k60 recording with d7300, what???Moreover, the screen is listed as "P-OLED" in the specs. Should be "LTPO P-OLED", this is what Motorola specifies in the specs on their official website for this model.
GSM Arena folks, can you please stop using AI for compiling the specs?
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- Anonymous
- 33S
- 01 Oct 2024
A BUSINESS smartphone with the 8GB RAM and 256GB storage?!
Moto wake up, even the sibling Edge 50 Neo has the 12/512 option!
With the 8/256 configuration, the Thinkphone 25 will become next to unusable by the end of 2025.
Business users need 12/512 and 16/1024 storage options!
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- Auguste
- 3g5
- 01 Oct 2024
Every September, for five years in a row now, I've updated my iPhone N-1 Pro Max to iPhone N Pro Max. Prior to that, I used a Galaxy Note and only reluctantly switched to iPhone 11 Pro Max. And whereas my first two iPhones were a mixed bag indeed, everything has been exemplary from iPhone 13 Pro Max onwards.
Perfectly conscious of the anti-Apple proclivities of this community, which are to an extent understandable (planned obsolescence/delaying hardware updates in order to incentivise people to upgrade their smartphone every year, 60Hz on 1000€ devices to artificially differentiate between Pro and non-Pro models, etc.), I will say that I am actually one of those for whom buying Apple devices is the most rational
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- Mr
- X5v
- 01 Oct 2024
Good phone but small battery
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- Anonymous
- CbI
- 01 Oct 2024
Very low battary power.
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- madhits
- qxN
- 01 Oct 2024
No SD card again, are we backing up on device yet in 2025? I thought corporate folks wanted an SD card slot. Copying Samsung and Apple again, get a backbone Motorola..
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- Diavoros
- PsL
- 01 Oct 2024
maykelbembibre, 01 Oct 2024wow, a phone with a 4310mAh tiny little battery and no card... moreIsn't that all iPhones?
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- maykelbembibre
- Spb
- 01 Oct 2024
wow, a phone with a 4310mAh tiny little battery and no card slot, what innovation!
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- Anonymous
- 8Ii
- 01 Oct 2024
Just buy the old Thinkphone tbh. It's on sale for $400 most of the time on Amazon and worth it