Xiaomi showcases its first ever in-house chipset - Surge S1
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- NotAFanboyy
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- 11 Jul 2017
So they just copy pasted weak Cortex A53 cores they licensed from ARM and are mass producing them on an outdated 28nm node. There is nothing special about this chip and it will do nothing to set Xiaomi's phones apart.
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- NotAFanboyy
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- 11 Jul 2017
Julliard, 28 Feb 2017Can this beat the soon to be released SD660?Definitely not, this Surge S1 CPU is VERY weak. It runs off 8x low power Cortex A53 cores which means it will be slow. The Snapdragon 660 is equivalent to a Snapdragon 820 in performance, power consumption, and has similar LTE bands with support for LTE-A and LTE-U. Snapdragon 660 is much better than this chip.
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- Stan
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- 26 May 2017
mmmmm, pinecones....
Don't know why that reminded me of Ice Age quote :)
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- Anonymous
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- 13 Mar 2017
Blutbad-fuchsbau, 06 Mar 2017I don't know much about RISC and CISC as I tried googling i... morethey can, but they always have to put the thermals and energy drain first.
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- 08 Mar 2017
Blutbad-fuchsbau, 06 Mar 2017I don't know much about RISC and CISC as I tried googling i... moreI was going to reply to your original post but the long version is full of waffle, so I will summarise the reply as "because SOC makers do know what they are doing."
- Blutbad-fuchsbau
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- 06 Mar 2017
Christian, 05 Mar 2017Simple answer? Never! You are talking about two completely... moreI don't know much about RISC and CISC as I tried googling it, and some of it went above my head. Well, why can't they try something like a true quad core? All cores operating at the same frequency, or say a true octa core with all the powerful cores on one cluster, and nothing more than 1 cluster on a chip? Like they did with the Snapdragon 800, 801 805? The moment they went to 64 bit they started with this big.LITTLE BS. Octa A73 or Quad A73 without having to add another cluster of A53 would be great. Why can't they do that? If you complain about heating, hey they are using 10nm transistors, and lower is better. So the heat will be really low. See the snapdragon 625. All are Cortex a53 cores, at 2Ghz, and when they tried a game(Moto Z Play), the body temperature of the phone never went past 37 degrees even after playing a high end game, or gaming for an hour or so. If they could do the same to the A73, say True Octa Core A73 at 2GHz they would probably get the maximum heat at 42 degrees which would again be a win. Why the hell are companies not doing that? Ridiculous 1 cluster A57/A72/A73 and the other cluster with A53. For what? You're basically reducing the IPC when you add A53 cores, and multithreaded performance takes a huge hit.
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- Christian
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- 05 Mar 2017
Blutbad-fuchsbau, 02 Mar 2017When are companies like Qualcomm gonna make multi threaded ... moreSimple answer? Never!
You are talking about two completely different architecture RISK and CISK.And ARM is CISK design by nature,which means out of order,queving and trading execution sets is unaviable.
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- 02 Mar 2017
Royan, 01 Mar 2017Why Chinese like a word that hard to pronoun even with them... moreUh I doubt majority of Koreans would have difficult saying Galaxy...
Galaxy would be 갤럭시 which is Gael-lux-xy close enough?
- Blutbad-fuchsbau
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- 02 Mar 2017
When are companies like Qualcomm gonna make multi threaded processors for mobiles? It's time they made a 2 core 4 threaded cpu based on 10nm. Call it the Snapdragon 840 or something. This big.LITTLE bullshit actually decreases the IPC. Now with 10nm and less, there will be really little heat, and they can use higher powered cores without having to switch to another fucking cluster. Why can't they do that? Who needs a53 when a73 is way more powerful, and can actually do the job when all 8 cores are running at the same clock?
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- Royan
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- 01 Mar 2017
Why Chinese like a word that hard to pronoun even with themselves? Surge, really?
Yesterday I believe Korean like that kind of thing, Galaxy. Now Chinese too
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- 01 Mar 2017
Anonymous, 28 Feb 2017s1 just come to steal the some pie from p20 . but s650/s625... moreExactly, that is what matters when you get one with SD625. Another thing, how good will the XDA and LAOS/CM support be on this chipset also?
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- Jason Melling
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- 01 Mar 2017
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- Gibler
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- 28 Feb 2017
I want to see how the new chipset will effect the price for Xiaomi not expensive phones already.
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- AnonD-632062
- 3Yc
- 28 Feb 2017
Waiting for the Pinecone V970.......
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- 28 Feb 2017
Julliard, 28 Feb 2017Can this beat the soon to be released SD660?Don't be ridiculous.
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- 28 Feb 2017
Anonymous, 28 Feb 2017*Until the S8 is releasedUntil the P11 is released....
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- AnonD-510098
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- 28 Feb 2017
AnonD-646953, 28 Feb 2017kirin960's process rule is 16nm and pinecone-v970 will be 1... moreYeah, Xiaomi will be on par with the Kirin 960 hopefully.
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- 28 Feb 2017
AnonD-558092, 28 Feb 201728nm is lame for a chipset that wants to compete with the S... moretry 14nm,
It would be at least 656 that will have 10nm
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- ZolaIII
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- 28 Feb 2017
Zero, 28 Feb 2017Close? I feel that it would defeat the 970 too.
Now... ... moreWell would actually go completely in different direction.
A costume PowerVR Series 8 XE Plus GPU with 4 clusters (costume as reference ends with dual cluster PowerVR GE8340) at around 600 MHz.
A single quad A73 cluster at around 2GHz top & a dual A35 400MHz offloading coprocessor cluster.
The real good current generation capable Tensilica DSP suitable for deep learning and visual processing along with other more traditional tasks.
& all including RF components based on a 22nm FD-SOI.
This is how I see really good consumer grade SoC with sustainable performance and good power/performance metrics that also wouldn't cost all that much.