Counterclockwise: the rise and fall of smartphone brands
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- Nokia fan boy
- YUT
- 16 Oct 2017
We need to wait for the Nokia 9. This could be a revolutionary milestone and higher chance to rise up. However that's not all, in a long run they need to improve customer care centers, having long term warranty for older phones and newer ones, having market campaigns in all countries and last but not least, their phones pricing needs to be reasonable or affordable and better spec.
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- Vegetaholic
- sX%
- 16 Oct 2017
Anonymous, 16 Oct 2017Samsung experience fluid???? BHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Do us a... moreOf course if you living in Sony world, let me know than you comeback to reality
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- Anonymous
- U@G
- 16 Oct 2017
Robert, 16 Oct 2017Jesus christ, that graph...hahahaha... sam here
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- Anonymous
- JG0
- 16 Oct 2017
Nokia didn't die because they chose Windows Phone instead of Android. In fact, Nokia destroyed itself. Nokia was already dying and suffering way before Windows Phone.
Just remember when Nokia's newer "high-end" phones were worse than their predecessors. Nokia N82 was the last good Nokia. After the N82 era, the new Nokia phones were pile of shit. They were horrible. Nokia released phones with weaker CPU, worse camera, ... totally a downgrade. Without any improvement.
S60V3 had several annoying problems. And it was not possible to upgrade the OS on those phones.
I've always hated the business strategy of Nokia. When they released a phone which has a plus feature, they took away another feature that was present in older devices. (For example N95 8GB was chargeable with USB, but the N82 wasn't. 6220 Classic was similar to N82, 6220 Classic had newer Symbian version, but it didn't have WiFi and 3D accelerator, ...). Same happened on software level. If you wanted to get the newest Symbian 9.3 and Ovi Maps with free navigation, you had to buy a new device, despite Ovi Maps (cracked version) worked perfectly on Symbian 9.2 too, but Nokia didn't make it officially compatible ON PURPOSE. Nokia also changed Symbian multiple times the way it completely broke backwards compatibility (for example the unnecessary changes from Symbian 8 (S60V2) and older to 9 (S60V3). It also annoyed people. Developers had to re-create everything again and again, old N-Gage games become incompatible, ... (And Symbian 9.2, 9.3, 9.4... also had compatibility problems with each other.)
And they released tons of phones with the same specifications.
Nokia didn't care about improving their devices, their customers, innovation, ... so people switched to other brands.
In 2009, while the Nokia high-end phones had only 400-600mHz CPU, 480p video recording and no 3D accelerator, the competition (Sony, HTC, Samsung) had 800mhz-1ghz CPU phones with HD video recording and 3D accelerator and more RAM. The Nokia phones in this year were dumbphones compared to the competition.
Their N-Gage was a total failure. It should have to use the 3D accelerator (GPU) so it would be the excellent, Nokia exclusive gaming system. But instead, the quality of N-Gage games was equal to Java games, crap. (Except a few games, for example Brothers in Arms, however, that had serious LAG problems on the officially supported classic devices like N95 (8GB), N82. Nice idea, poor execution.
So Nokia has never created any good phone without major flaws. They frustrated their users
2009 is the year when I started to hate Nokia.
If Microsoft didn't buy Nokia, Nokia would die 7 years ago in 2010. So Microsoft is the savour of Nokia.
If Google didn't create Android, Samsung or HTC with Bada or Windows Mobile would become the market leaders (and Windows Phone would not have been created) and Nokia would still lose the fight.
Conclusion: Nokia deserve to die.
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- Anonymous
- wry
- 16 Oct 2017
AnonD-558092, 15 Oct 2017I didn't say that I wanted that, but the AVERAGE BUYER does... moreSamsung experience fluid????
BHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Do us a favour and get off the drugs.
Both S8 and note 8 are laggier than my 4 year old Z1
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- AnonD-152638
- mhB
- 16 Oct 2017
Nokia had to kill symbian.
They were working on getting Symbian updated, to support QT.
But that work was way behind schedule.
And most likely since they were awaiting the developers to get the new symbian out, they no longer had any devices that were adopted to the symbian they were still running.
Keep in mind symbian had a resolutio cap. So with symbian they could not increase the resolution.
Nokia had MeeGo, though, however, a lot of management and middle management were tied to symbian. So they were fighting with claws, not to see MeeGo take over as the primary OS of Nokia.
That is the whole reason for the QT update of Symbian.
But that also meant that there was only a small team working with MeeGo phones. And with little support inside Nokia, there was no way they could push new products out.
Yes Elop did not have to announce the death of symbian. But Nokia would have still had to kill it.
The risk though is then, with as much influence as people tied to symbian had inside nokia board of directors, they could have then had Elop fired withouth having to explain wh, as there would have been no puplic record of him killing symbian.
By announcing it, he made sure that he could not be fired due to kiling symbian, as that would mean that Nokia had to publicly defend symbian, and there was simply no way that they could as it was clear it was on its way down.
And the Symbian update program was just eating away Nokias profits. With no result to present.
And going for Meego or WP made no difference in that case, since the people fightning symbian were defending symbian and not any in-house OS of Nokia.
Elop was perhaps not the best person for Nokia.
Symbian had to be killed however.
But with another leader, perhaps MeeGo would have gotten a fair chance.
But with all the app craze, it would have been difficult for nokia, as it was for Microsoft.
In my opinion it would have been really nice to see both WP and Meego around today, for some variation.
But I guess that would have required Nokia, and MS to work with Google to form some kind of shared platform for developing apps. Back then in 2010-2011 before Google got clearly ahead. Perhaps Palm and BlackBerry platforms could have been brought onboard as well.
That way I think apple would have lost the App throne. If developers could easily port their Apps on to several of platforms.
But the QT for symbian, was clearly a dead end.
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- Anonymous
- X%7
- 16 Oct 2017
AnonD-558092, 15 Oct 2017I didn't say that I wanted that, but the AVERAGE BUYER does... moreWell tell that to my uncle's s7 32 GB variant. He complained it lagged very much. I Checked it and found that storage was almost full. Decided to clear WhatsApp videos totalling 12 GB and the phone rebooted in mid reboot. Wth was that. Even my redmi 4 isn't that weird..
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- Anonymous
- Kit
- 16 Oct 2017
It seems like Xiaomi became a silent killer for other phone company.
People who use their phone for gaming but doesnt want spend much money like me will see xiaomi brand as a perfect choice.
Decent Camera and decent model (except mi mix of course) but with a good processor and big battery combined with cheap price its the perfect choice for a budget phone for gaming. i dont think other phone company is taking this "budget gamer thing". For budget segment almost every company always boasting about the camera and and their full hd display.
Because of that xiaomi get a rare competitor for this segment
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- Rex Tech
- 04P
- 16 Oct 2017
If LG starts making real effort and start making great mid range phones like back in the days it can be going against many companies.But instead of LG picks either to use high quality screens on budget chipsets or media tek chipsets and produce random devices with large screens and low ram/pic quality.A year ago it produced some bad looking phones with nice specs and 2 years before that great looking phones but with poor specs.LG software was always interesting to me and pretty light.If they use upper mid range chipsets and their known cool looks for contenders price they can be easily in top brands.
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- Anonymous
- 60E
- 16 Oct 2017
Fayth, 16 Oct 2017I've heard 'Sony is dying' about 4-5 years ago... that's a... moreyeah. so sad. their mobile division is in coma condition. or dying. it will finally die, if its parent company decide to shut it down
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- Fayth
- PA7
- 16 Oct 2017
Anonymous, 16 Oct 2017sony is dying dude. most people in the world avoid it. this... moreI've heard 'Sony is dying' about 4-5 years ago...
that's a looong way to die
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- Anonymous
- 0uJ
- 16 Oct 2017
Apple phones isn't premium. They are just midrangers with premium pricing. Sheep's.
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- AnonD-119666
- tZj
- 16 Oct 2017
agreed
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- Anonymous
- 60E
- 16 Oct 2017
Anonymous, 15 Oct 2017Sony is number one. Few people will understand it. Sony's s... moresony is dying dude. most people in the world avoid it. this is a reality
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- AnonD-690051
- thv
- 16 Oct 2017
AnonD-558092, 15 Oct 2017I didn't say that I wanted that, but the AVERAGE BUYER does... morei agree with your comment. S8 with a slim case is more durable, and still looks slimmer than xperia without case.
xperia already has big bezel, using it with a case will only make it looks super thick and ugly.
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- Robert
- P2p
- 16 Oct 2017
Jesus christ, that graph...
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- AnonD-699395
- 6P$
- 16 Oct 2017
Previous generations used to last for ages, the variety these days is disposable.
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- AnonD-558092
- r7b
- 15 Oct 2017
Anonymous, 15 Oct 2017You want cool design instead of durability? Who cares about... moreI didn't say that I wanted that, but the AVERAGE BUYER does. And if you reference to Samsung, then I'm sorry but you are in denial. Phone breaks easily? You must be very clumsy and you could use a case. My Samsung devices survived multiple drops without the screen shattering. After 4 years my phone got a thin crack because some jerk slapped my phone to the ground. Lags? Use a recent phone, not a mono-core SII on Gingerbread or ICS, or a lame Galaxy J1 Mini Prime. TouchWiz/Samsung Experience are fluid interfaces since Marshmallow when used on midrange devices and better (A-series, J3 and up, S).
Sony has a mostly stock interface and may have slightly more ''clumsy-proof'' designs, but it lacks appeal. Which is why Sony only holds barely 3% of the Android market and this number is still going down https://www.appbrain.com/stats/top-manufacturers
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- migotka21
- mMG
- 15 Oct 2017
Isn't Siemens missing? They made some nice mobiles and feature phones, too. They exist but no longer deal in mobiles.
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- Anonymous
- IVx
- 15 Oct 2017
More varieties now?? I dont think so.. It is more like a lot of different companies making the same phone with same features and even same design.. Nokia alone in its heyday had more varieties than all of todays brand combined