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Kangal, 30 May 2018So you're in Jerusalem. I know there's a tech business the... morePart 2: I work in Jerusalem but I don't live there. I live near Jerusalem.

    Kangal, 30 May 2018So you're in Jerusalem. I know there's a tech business the... moreYes. That's correct.
    I didn't do any reviews, videos, or pictures. XD (kinda shy about these things. ^^;) shrink the pro 7 to 4.7inches. Externally, that's SenTouch. (And I asked permission to use back design)

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      • 30 May 2018

      Kiyasuriin, 28 May 2018A PDA I built. Basically. XD Well. Not me only. I used a f... moreSo you're in Jerusalem.
      I know there's a tech business there, but it doesn't sound very big. Not at least compared to Russia, France, UK, China, and Silicon Valley. Can you post a link to your device?
      Is there a YouTube video, online photographs, external reviews etc etc?

      PS I'm not a developer by trade.

        Kangal, 28 May 2018What is the SenTouch T1? I can't find it on Google, and it... moreA PDA I built. Basically. XD
        Well. Not me only. I used a few friends here and there. ^^; I gave the software. So Aside of every components stuff every Aida64 or CPU-Z can reveal. I can't give any logs because I didn't mess with that thing as of building it physically.
        And sure. My job in general is a semi administerative Major Developer. My job is to make sure there are no new bugs in the apps we're reviewing. And reply to reviews after the makers of the app sees it.
        We also get to have some free time and play games on phones. And see if there are any bugs. Or just leisurely play because no one asked for our services. My salary is a decent 14,200 ILS a month Neto (about 2,500$)

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          • 28 May 2018

          Kiyasuriin, 28 May 2018I understand that. I truely am. I do follow Anandtech and t... moreWhat is the SenTouch T1?
          I can't find it on Google, and it's not on the list of Snapdragon 845 Supported Devices.

          Also what is your job, sounds interesting?

            Kangal, 28 May 2018No problem. Not sure if you can go back and edit your comm... moreI understand that. I truely am. I do follow Anandtech and their tech reviews. But their specs sheet are not as well designed as in here (it's the same specs sheet as any thing. But. Eh... hard to explain)
            I need that higher peak preformance (though according to Anandtech it becomes a penta core this way xD) because I tend to run very heavy CPU intensive scripts that require ARM64 Architecture. I have a Snapdragon device (SenTouch T1 :heart:) that owns a snapdragon 845. I agree that the Snapdragon version runs a hell lot smoother and better. I ran the program on both snapragon and Exynos. Exynos did it faster but snapdragon ran it more accurately. My job favors speed.

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              • 28 May 2018

              Kiyasuriin, 27 May 2018Hm... true. Oh well~! You learn a new thing every day! ^_^No problem.
              Not sure if you can go back and edit your comments. Geekbench keeps getting brought up over and over again, and even I was contemplating of getting the S9+ with the Exynos 9810 based on the early benchmark leaks. However, after it was tested thoroughly it was shown to be both slower than the QSD 845 and use more battery. You should understand that most efficiency and performance gains are won NOT by using a better lithography (eg 20nm vs 14nm) but its won by using a better microarchitecture (eg Cortex A57 vs Cortex A72). But I should also mention THE MOST gains are won by Software Improvements (eg Jelly Bean 4.3 vs Lollipop 5.1). This is why Clean AndroidOS devices, with unlocked bootloaders are preferential to more Unoptimised/Bloated ones (eg LG G5 vs OnePlus 3).

              If you want more in-depth look into these, try Anandtech.com:
              https://www.anandtech.com/show/12520/the-galaxy-s9-review/12

              PS Sorry for late reply, I was a bit busy.
              I also replied to another comment of yours and some other people here:
              https://www.gsmarena.com/newscomm-30430p3.php

                Kangal, 27 May 2018Well my comment still stands, you don't know what you are t... moreHm... true. Oh well~! You learn a new thing every day! ^_^

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                  • uCX
                  • 27 May 2018

                  Kiyasuriin, 24 May 2018It's quite obvious. I refer to the geekbench scores of the ... moreWell my comment still stands, you don't know what you are talking about.
                  Geekbench is infamous for misleading people. It cannot be trusted, unless you specifically refer to the performance of running Geekbench and not an actual task.

                  Case in point: The Qualcomm Snapdragon 845 SoC is actually FASTER than the Exynos 9810. The QSD 845 is still slightly behind the Apple A10 SoC. Yet, the QSD 845 is a large distance behind the Apple A11-Bionic chipset and that lead is going to increase with Apple moving to 7nm first. However, its probable that Huawei is going to follow Apple to 7nm, launching the new Mate 11 phone in November 2018 two months after the Apple iPhone X Plus. So the new Kirin 980 should land halfway between the A10 and A11, putting some pressure into the competition, but still lagging behind the A12.

                  If you want a more useful test, look at the PhoneBuff's Head-to-Head Speed Test to Launch Apps and Resuspend background tasks. Or my personal favourite is Futuremark's PCMark 2.0 benchmark suite.

                  In the android world, the hierarchy currently follows as:
                  QSD 845
                  Ex 9810
                  QSD 835

                  Kirin 970
                  Ex 8995
                  Kirin 960
                  Kirin 955

                  QSD 670/710 (theoretical)
                  Ex 8890
                  Kirin 950
                  QSD 821
                  QSD 820 (Underclocked)

                  QSD 660
                  QSD 636
                  Ex 7420
                  Ex 5433

                  QSD 805
                  QSD 801
                  QSD 800 (Underclocked)
                  Ex 5422
                  Ex 5410

                  QSD 630
                  QSD 625/626
                  QSD 600
                  QSD S4 Pro (Quad Krait 200)
                  QSD S4 (Dual Krait 200)
                  Ex 4412
                  Tegra 3
                  Ex 4210
                  Ex 3110

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                    • Anonymous
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                    • 24 May 2018

                    Anonymous, 23 May 2018You wants apps to open on their own even if you don't want ... moreThat's what Google is working towards with its Assistant.

                      Anonymous, 23 May 2018Remember that iPhones get dropped in software support when ... moreOK, that makes sense remembering Apple still thinks that its phones expected lifetime is 5 years or so.

                        Kiyasuriin, 24 May 2018It's quite obvious. I refer to the geekbench scores of the ... moreCont': total assessment.

                          Kangal, 24 May 2018I see many of your posts, and I usually agree with you. But... moreIt's quite obvious. I refer to the geekbench scores of the 6 SoCs of Qualcomm and Exynos.
                          Here's a chart just to comprehend what I meant:
                          SD820
                          Single: 1700
                          Multi: 4000
                          EX8890
                          Single: 1800
                          Multi: 5200
                          SD835
                          Single: 1850
                          Multi: 6250
                          EX8895
                          Single: 2000
                          Multi: 6600
                          SD845
                          Single: 2400
                          Multi: 8500
                          EX9810
                          Single: 3700
                          Multi: 8900
                          As you can see, by CPU prowess Exynos is leading.
                          That is what I meant by the last post.
                          As it was Kryo 100 vs Mongoose M1
                          Then Kryo 280 vs M2 (or a refined M1)
                          And lastly Kryo 385G vs Mongoose M3
                          I know that by general sum up, the two are pretty much even on GPU, UX, RAM, ETC.

                            Wonder how will users feel with new and coming flagships on S845, after that beast is unleashed. Could be great for huawei and their kirin 980 also on 7nm.

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                              • 24 May 2018

                              Kiyasuriin, 23 May 2018Which makes sense now that we see EXYNOS leading on that pa... moreI see many of your posts, and I usually agree with you. But this time you have No Idea what you're talking about.

                              Please refrain from spreading misinformation. I might come back later in the day with a longer detailed comment about the Android SoC market and many of the nuances that is oblivious to owners and part-time fans.

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                                • AnonD-708837
                                • PMH
                                • 24 May 2018

                                We know how good TSMC is with yields on early production runs. Expect delays

                                  Time for Mediatek, HiSilicon to leap the Snapdragon and Exynos

                                    john, 23 May 2018This year Kirin 980 chip for new Huawei is also manufacture... moreTrue! i am waiting for the Mate 20, it scores 356 k on Antutu, a beast!

                                      Nick, 23 May 2018True and good point on the Krait ones. At that time QC was ... moreWhich makes sense now that we see EXYNOS leading on that part. CPU wise. peak preformance ever since the exynos 8890 was higher than it's comrade. the 820 and forward.

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                                        • 23 May 2018

                                        make a bigger battery.....not smaller chip with ai stuff

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