Samsung Galaxy S10 to skip the iris scanner
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- The last Oracle
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- 02 Nov 2018
Whackcar, 02 Nov 2018Just to correct you, the first mainstream phone to use the ... moreThe iPhone 6s had tiny pixels and not really amazing photos. The latest iPhones have finally incorporated the right sensor (and thus pixel size), from those from the Samsung Flagships (as I mengioned). You replied to an imaginary post if mine since I didn't mention the 12MP resolution. It may be the sweet spot between resolution and processing power considerations (until such time as a 48MP 120fps 1/1.7inch sensor comes along).
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- Kashyap
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- 02 Nov 2018
Whackcar, 02 Nov 2018Just to correct you, the first mainstream phone to use the ... moreFirst phone to use 12MP sensor was NOKIA N8, releases in October 2010. Please get your facts right.
https://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n8-3252.php
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- Alien
- 3RM
- 02 Nov 2018
Realistic1, 02 Nov 2018If only they skipped Bixby aswell...You can uninstall Bixby if you don't like it. I did. Oh, and you don't need root for it.
Just install adb on your pc and uninstall bixby through it.
adb shell pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.package.example
Please note that there are multiple packages for bixby. You'll have to figure them out, but it's not very difficult.
Here's the XDA Forum page dedicated just for this :
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73894621&postcount=23
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- Shanti Dope
- Kg{
- 02 Nov 2018
Whackcar, 02 Nov 2018Buddy that's where options comes in. You see, you have the ... moreI do get where you are coming from, but those options are quite steep still to take.
For example, $300 smartphones of today are more powerful than some 2015 flagships already, yet in terms of features, they're behind them still.
No mid ranger still has a QHD display (despite the fact that any Snapdragon chip from 660 and above are well-capable of handling it), no mid ranger uses a camera with OIS (the last one was the Galaxy A 2016 series, and even those were crippled by Samsung's poor camera processing software), and only a few devices are capable of shooting 4K@30fps and 1080p@60fps videos, most of which don't even have EIS, or a terrible one if there is.
You see, I expect at least some of those 2015 flagship features on lower tier smartphones already, yet it feels as if only processor and display size have improved since 2015.
You say that they would cut costs in some aspects in order to lower the price, but why does it feel like OEMs are just cutting costs but not actually lowering the price?
Even Huawei has turned from a viable cheaper alternative to a major competing flagship competitor, and that's to say, they're doing great, but they've went too far from what they're supposed to act in the market.
I know that we have a lot of choices, but the question is, for how long are these choices going to last?
OnePlus started off well with a $300 flagship killer device. Now they're asking $600 for their supposedly 'flagship killer?' The internals and externals have improved, but it's far from what they're really known for. Poco is the reminiscent of the old OnePlus, but I'd not expect them to stay the same in the next 5 years, and they would eventually turn into another premium offering.
Time will come that $250 will only give us SD450 SoC and HD+ display, and $1000 will be considered 'cheap' for a flagship smartphone price. That's what I'm afraid of, and today feels like the beginning of that era.
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- tZt
- 02 Nov 2018
The last Oracle, 02 Nov 2018I am sure with the right kind of imagination a camera senso... moreJust to correct you, the first mainstream phone to use the 12MP sensor was iPhone 6s back in September 2015. S7 was the second in March 2016, then HTC 10 the third in May 2016 and then it became trendy.
In terms of speed though, you're correct. The S7 was the first phone to use Dual-Pixel autofocus, which is still the fastest auto-focus technology to date.
Also, Huawei is no longer using 12MP sensors on their flaghips as of late. They've moved to 40MP sensors with quad-bayer pixel binning technology. It's a whole different territory.
I'm not an Apple fan or a Samsung hater. I just like to clarify right from wrong.
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- Alien
- 3RM
- 02 Nov 2018
I'm using the S8+ and so far I never used the iris scanner, not even once.
Actually the iris scanner, the selfie and the main camera as well as the fingerprint sensor are all covered with stickers :D
PIN code works just fine.
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- The last Oracle
- vI1
- 02 Nov 2018
I am sure with the right kind of imagination a camera sensor on the front could be a selfie cam, do an Iris AND do a Face ID.
Regardless, all those are great but apart from the display quality and design language, the most important feature of a smartphone is the camera. The sensor on the S7 (and its 2 iterations since that) was THE perfect blend of size and speed, so much so that all the Major Smartphone Flagships have copied it (iPhone, Huawei, Pixels etc).
Therefore Samsung need a to Ensure that the next Sensor is absolutely Class Leading (again), and that they have right's over it for atleast until the S12.
I think I figured out the secret sauce in the Night Mode in the pixel devices. It's inspired by the Panasonic Composite photo mode (on its Lumix Cameras) where multiple frames are stitched into a single photo. The background is taken from the first frame and then movement of the subject in every subsequent frame is stitched into the final photo. The truth is that the limits of Electronic Shutters haven't really been explored yet. Smartphone sensors could easily do full res at 120fps, if sensor makers are pushed. So about 30 frames for playing with information after the shutter is pressed, and atleast 30 before the shutter is pressed (pre burst). The enormous buffer could be used for making photos have much higher dynamic range and much cleaner images, apart from way better low light and much better colour. If they could fit a light and colour meter along with the accelerometer on the sensor stabilization module, they could save time for processing and thus better photos.
One of the biggest issues with smartphone sensors is that shake compensation is done by moving the optics instead of the sensor (OIS instead of IBIS). If smartphone camera move to IBIS + IBIS, they could reach some superb levels of stabilization and also have more frames to play with in post (for image fusion).
Also smartphone sensors must explore dual ISO sensors. This could help with improving low light substantially.
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- Anonymous
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- 02 Nov 2018
secondary screen is actually a better idea i think..but just a 2 inch AMOLED..just to take selfies..many will say oh we use front cam for face id blah blah..but just a fingerprint on the back is enough for most of the people
- Whackcar
- tZt
- 02 Nov 2018
Anonymous, 02 Nov 2018They already have face id No they don't. Currently they offer Fingerprint unlock, iris unlock, and face unlock (via front camera, which isn't secure and can be fooled easily). When i say something like Face ID, i mean something like the iPhones (An IR camera with Dot Projector), which use dedicated hardware for this purpose which is far more secure than simply using the front camera.
Also, you cannot use the Samsung face unlock for payments, while you can use the Apple's Face ID for payment. On Samsung you have to resort to using the Iris scanner or the fingerprint scanner for this purpose, which further backs up my claim of it not being secure enough.
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- 02 Nov 2018
rizki1, 02 Nov 2018nice, keep working! Next is a curved edge to edge screen...Many will be disappointed if they remove edge to edge, which makes samsung flagships stand out
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- ace007
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- 02 Nov 2018
That's The Most Dumbest Move That's Gonna Be Made By Samsung.. Most Of You Will Not Admit It But I Chose Note 9 Even After I Hate AMOLEDs, Curved Screens & The Underclocked Exynos 9810 Because The Storage(No One Has 512GB For This Price), The Almighty S - Pen(The Identity Of The Notes) And Last But Not The Least The Iris Scanner..
So Skipping On The Note 10 Then.. If They Upgrade The Note 9 With Better Rear Design, Fully Clocked 9820 & Offer On 512 GB With Expandable Memory & 3.5mm Jack, I'll Take It On A Heartbeat..
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- Anonymous
- LQt
- 02 Nov 2018
My sister uses because in her opinion the FPS of S8 is the worst position ever.
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- Anonymous
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- 02 Nov 2018
Whackcar, 02 Nov 2018Very few people used it anyway, so it is better to replace ... moreThey already have face id
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- tZt
- 02 Nov 2018
Shanti Dope, 02 Nov 2018When they could make everything as simple as on the Nubia X... moreBuddy that's where options comes in. You see, you have the choice of buying whatever you prefer. Similarly, others have the choice of buying whatever they prefer. There's no reason to complain about a product that's simply not suitable for you.
On one end of the spectrum, you have phones like the iPhones & Galaxies & Mates which are pretty expensive but offer the most premium smartphone experience to those who desire it.
On the other end of the spectrum, you have phones like the Pocophone & the Honor phones & such which are offering flagship grade specs for really low prices by cutting corners on the build quality, cameras and such.
You have this option today to choose based on your preferences. This wasn't the case a few years ago, where you either had to buy a full-priced flagship or deal with ugly & laggy budget phones which were barely usable at all.
Truth is, good tech is more affordable today than it was a few years ago. You just need to find the right products for yourself.
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- prfraczek
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- 02 Nov 2018
123, 02 Nov 2018samsung is slowing down... huawei is new king of androidyes, for people with no requirements :)
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- marclee37
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- 02 Nov 2018
some features are never used, but the users have to pay for these. i wish there could be some plain powerful models. latest soc, sufficient amount of ram and storage. 300ppi display, etc
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- Shanti Dope
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- 02 Nov 2018
When they could make everything as simple as on the Nubia X, Samsung takes the more complicated and more expensive way of creating a smartphone that would basically do the same damn thing as a phone that costs 1/4 as much.
Of course it would get a better display, camera, audio, and build quality, but that would be a different thing, and yet the Nubia X could be made like that if ZTE decided to do so.
Call me the poor guy all you want, even if I actually have the money to buy any phone that I want, but I'm simply not getting fooled by the overpricing tricks these OEMs are playing on us.
Those who want to pay $1K every single year, well, you have your choice. I really hope it's worth your purchase, because I find happiness in many other more important things than just smartphones.