Huawei to bring quad-camera flagships, foldable phone and 10x optical zoom in 2019
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BosOtter, 14 Nov 2018Android one for the win, EMUI is horrible. Get with the tim... morethis is not an established fact. preferences always play as variables here and there. so don't go on generalizing that everyone wants stock android and everyone hates emui. generalizing is a big mistake. other person might not like what you like. get it. period
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It was a disaster when I went from EMUI to stock Android, no customization, too many actions needed to reach some buttons and sliders and no way to bring them closer to reach and a lot of missing essential options, like the color temperature wheel.
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IpsDisplay, 15 Nov 2018I disagree Googles night mode blows out highlights too much... moreYou say that but you don't know what blown out highlights look like, if there's any detail beyond pure white left, it's not blown, it's just a choice of the extent to pull highlights, GCam pulls less highlights than Huawei's solution, but that doesn't mean more is blown, also Google's solution retains far more fine detail than Huawei's, and at night it consistently recovers more shadow. Huawei employs aggressive and texture-destroying NR, then overcorrects it with aggressive sharpening which adds punch zoomed out but does not recover actual texture, I understand that some laymen appreciate that.
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- 18 Nov 2018
Anonymous, 16 Nov 2018No. What I said was valid and on point. When you can re rea... moreYou're too smug for your own good.
Let's break your comment down bit by bit and see who's messing around with something they don't understand.
"Sorry but that's basically just a long exposure shot.Most phones can do it."
Completely and undeniably wrong. No phone camera or any other camera for that matter could manage the stabilization for long exposures seconds long. In general Google's night sight works the same way Huawei's night mode or Sony's multiframe NR does, it combines information from an extended burst of many underexposed exposure merging it into one output. You could achieve better results doing a manual burst then merging them in PS, preferably in RAW, but the operation is far more complex.
"It also adds a little hdr to it. And it can make a striking scene but is also not as natural."
Don't talk to me about natural when you come championing Huawei's output. Huawei's night mode also "adds a little hdr" as their auto mode does, just to a different extent, and Huawei's watercolor texture is the most artificial-looking of all major manufacturers bar LG, LG and LG's waxy texture only is worse, and it's a pure software issue as an LG running a GCam port could then outperform Huawei in texture.
What you seem to be saying is that Pixel doesn't *artificially underexpose* its output in low light, it sticks to neutral gray for its metering for as much as possible, this results in higher than eyesight brightness/exposure in low light but maintains a correct histogram. There are two possible reasons for this, one is that Huawei's night mode output grows darker with diminishing light simply because it's reaching its limits sooner than Pixel, another is that Google's simply taken a more professional approach, as it has until now, that allows a more flexible JPG to be adjusted to one's likings, similar to a professional camera's output, instead of Huawei's intentional underexposure throwing away data.
"And you could easily introduce handshake. The only plus it really has is stitching different exposures for you. "
You could if you try, but just as "easily", or more easily for Huawei's night mode, because Huawei's 1/1.7" doesn't even have OIS while Pixel's 1/2.55" does. And as I mentioned before, it stacks a set of underexposures, but each exposure's settings are *identical*, only the algorithm allows some (parts of some, in Google's case) to be discarded for low quality.
"And the whole idea of cameras on phones since the beginning of camera phones is what they can do with software on weak sensors."
I never disputed this.
"sensor size always wins if done right"
Win what? Sensor size has always been about DR with a slight diffraction factor in play, the P20P had bad effective resolution and its 10MP outputs always contained less detail than the competition's 12MP downsized to 10, its 40MP output was about equal to a bayer at 20MP or a little less, and generated artifacts/smearing on fine texture like fibers, just use GSMA's photo comparison tool. The Mate20P retains some more detail in ample light most of the time but the 10MP still doesn't hold an advantage over the competition, so whatever effects diffraction had it didn't help Huawei. As for DR, Apple wins most scenarios this round with their SmartHDR, Pixel3 and Mate20P are at the same level. At night, night sight has the advantage as I said because Huawei's night mode loses shadow too fast, the less the light, the higher the DR advantage Pixel has.
This is night sight's astonishing sharpness boost in moderate daylight, this enabled the Pixel to outresolve the whole panel, see if Huawei's 1/1.7" 40MP helps you read the writings at the back of the scene, or is it night sight that helps instead? Andrei didn't test Huawei's night mode in this scene or you'd see an even bigger difference as Huawei's night mode negatively affects resolution in any case other than low light, nothing like Google's night sight:
https://images.anandtech.com/galleries/6730/G_Pixel3_IMG_20181023_152735.jpg
https://images.anandtech.com/galleries/6730/H_Mate20Pro_IMG_20181023_152423.jpg
https://images.anandtech.com/galleries/6730/H_Mate20Pro_IMG_20181023_152415.jpg
Now Pixel night vs. Huawei night vs. Huawei auto(high ISO). Simply put: color and detail retention vs. severe underexposure and smearing vs. horrendous noise and, yes, "yellow cast":
https://images.anandtech.com/galleries/6732/G_Pixel3_IMG_20181023_211630.jpg
https://images.anandtech.com/galleries/6732/H_Mate20Pro_IMG_20181023_211147.jpg
https://images.anandtech.com/galleries/6732/H_Mate20Pro_IMG_20181023_211135.jpg
Huawei's clearly lost both in terms of DR and resolution, so again, as I said, sensor size gives way to superior algorithm.
"Pixel 3 is not the god of photography this year just as pixel 2 wasn't last year. It just ruled dynamic range last year. Doesn't even have that this year.”
It wasn't god last year because 1.it lacked a telephoto to complement its main,2.it lacked a stacking algorithm similar to night mode. In all other scenarios, it *was* god. This year things are the more or less the same, the difference being night mode’s solved, with spectacular execution far beyond expectations, and Apple's also done well with the new sensor and SmartHDR meaning the X's disadvantage is no more.
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Lyndino, 15 Nov 2018Thanx for putting it in terms I understand and noticed but ... moreIf that's what you were looking for you might want more factual words next time
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S Yu, 15 Nov 2018You're sorely mistaken. https://www.anandtech.com/show/134... moreNo. What I said was valid and on point. When you can re read and and actually understand what you are replying to come back
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S Yu, 15 Nov 2018Google's Night Sight literally beats the crap out of Huawei... moreThanx for putting it in terms I understand and noticed but couldn't put into words.
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S Yu, 15 Nov 2018Google's Night Sight literally beats the crap out of Huawei... moreI disagree Googles night mode blows out highlights too much and is very noisy, it's not true to life where the mate 20pros image actually looks like a good light/night shot the pixels is blown out and has a yellow tint
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- 15 Nov 2018
Now this i call a proper innovation. I mean camera.
Foldable phones for 1700+ have no future.
Same like Monolith Chaccone did.
It should be best phone in world and died before it could be even released.
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Anonymous, 15 Nov 2018Sorry but that's basically just a long exposure shot. Most ... moreYou're sorely mistaken.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13474/the-google-pixel-3-review/8
These samples are all handheld.
Extreme low light DR is undoubtedly superior due to the shadow retention, in daylight(flip pages in the link) I at least don't see it losing significantly, in some cases it tends to compress shadows, that's an issue of Gcam since Pixel2, but even with Mate20P's improved texture compared to the predecessor Pixel3 still has superior fine texture in most cases.
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- 15 Nov 2018
S Yu, 15 Nov 2018Google's Night Sight literally beats the crap out of Huawei... moreSorry but that's basically just a long exposure shot. Most phones can do it. It also adds a little hdr to it. And it can make a striking scene but is also not as natural.
And you could easily introduce handshake. The only plus it really has is stitching different exposures for you.
And the whole idea of cameras on phones since the beginning of camera phones is what they can do with software on weak sensors.
However sensor size always wins if done right. Huawei just needs to step up their game because they have 1.4um pixels.. Same as the others. But 40 vs 12mp and f1. 7.
Pixel 3 is not the god of photography this year just as pixel 2 wasn't last year. It just ruled dynamic range last year. Doesn't even have that this year.
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marq, 15 Nov 2018My friend, Google, Facebook, knows everything, EVERYTHING a... moreYeah, I agree. I was just saying that people in the West appear to fear the Chinese government more than Google. However unfounded that might be.
Not my view as such. It is what it is.
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- 15 Nov 2018
marq, 15 Nov 2018What part of the world? Looks like people are less informed... moreThey might be very large but what they said is still correct. Most people still know them for their cheaper end. And a big brand name is still something that grabs a huge majority of people.
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- 15 Nov 2018
Google's Night Sight literally beats the crap out of Huawei's night mode.
Not only does it retain resolution in daylight and night (even in daylight it sometimes manages to enhance detail, outresolving competing solutions including Huawei's 40MP downsized to 10MP) as opposed to Huawei's heavy smearing resulting in a loss of at least 50% of effective resolution. It retains its imaging capabilities with the 1/2.55" 12MP with even less available light compared to Huawei's 40MP 1/1.7".
Daylight was never Huawei's strong suit and the Mate20P continues to lag behind IPXS and Pixel3. In moderate low light the XS with its SmartHDR implementation still has an advantage while the Mate20P is slightly weaker than P20P. In extreme low light Pixel3 with Night Sight is the clear winner and nobody else could compete.
Huawei's only remaining advantage is the flexibility from the UWA and 3x zoom, but neither is anywhere close to the main sensor.
We're now in an age where the central status of sensor size finally gives way to computational algorithms.
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- 15 Nov 2018
Lyndino, 15 Nov 2018I stand behind my opinions and respect that you have yours. Too bad facts are facts. But you can indeed have your opinion still
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Curtisjr1, 15 Nov 2018UndisputedUndisputed effort. Not undisputed untouchable or absolute best
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marq, 15 Nov 2018Don't you think you get better products that way? Improving... moreI stand behind my opinions and respect that you have yours.
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lyndino, 14 Nov 2018Way more to a phone than camera count. Brand recognition i... moreWhat part of the world? Looks like people are less informed there. World's No.2 largest smartphone selling company is not known....
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lyndino, 15 Nov 2018To me innovative would be a smartphone company who makes th... moreDon't you think you get better products that way? Improving on something that is existing, and adding something of your own?
Otherwise there wont have been any innovations to products if nobody else was competing.
Companies trying to one up the other is great for the consumers....