Qualcomm announces Snapdragon 8cx chipset for Windows 10
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- 07 Dec 2018
Anonymous, 07 Dec 2018The question is, how much does that chip cost? How much wil... moreProbably more expensive than current 850 ones. Even so, the gains from this are likely to net you excellent performance and efficiency, maybe under 1k
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- 07 Dec 2018
OwnFix3, 07 Dec 2018Toy OS? Like seriously? Don't be quick with fancy words.Quick?, iOS tablets have been around for years, and even the Pro is basically a toy except for those who likes to draw with a stylus (and it’s not even the best device to do that). They are support devices at best.
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- 07 Dec 2018
Anonymous, 07 Dec 2018I want an 8CX vs A12X comparison !!It isn't possible.
Apple chipsets are only found in iOS devices, where they run an OS heavily optimized for the hardware. So we will never know what the comparable performance is for an Apple CPU. We can get figures for benchmarks on that platform, but it doesn't tell us about the performance of the chipset, just the combination of OS and Chipset, while Qualcomm chipsets run on Windows or Android both much less optimized for that hardware, always dragging down the performance.
What that means is that you can only look at the performance and see what type of performance you can expect from that platform. If iOS is fine for ones needs, then in most cases Apple will offer more performance than one would get on Android, Windows. If one want to know the actual performance of the chipset, there is no way to tell. And if the platform one is going to run is Windows or Android, benchmarks for Apple CPUs running iOS, is of no importance.
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- Anonymous
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- 07 Dec 2018
The question is, how much does that chip cost? How much will the laptop cost?
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- 07 Dec 2018
dude111, 07 Dec 2018This is what android tablets should sport.
It may not be... moreAnd the top model in reality is 835 and most some top models use 660 or 625 or most use something like 4xx series...
Its is pity but true. Android tablets Are joke in soc power department...
Nobody is ready to pay 1000$ or more From Android tablet but can easily pay that From iPad pro because iOs has better software to tablets than Android have. Hopefully chrome os or the next generation fix that.
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- Love the Community
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- 07 Dec 2018
inb4 ASUS ROG Phone 2 will be released with Snapdragon 8cx. The first gaming smartphone with desktop SoC. Definitely worth the $900 Price Tag unless ASUS adds a bit more features while keeping what's already there for the first version.
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- Anonymous
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- 07 Dec 2018
Anonymous, 07 Dec 2018Intel I5 series ??? Apple A12x are rival to Intel I7 series... moredont gall for marketing and benchmarks
this and a12x are both fighting with celeron n4000 at best
in fact if you have i5 or i7 tou can run android emulator and post higher antutu scores than a12x :)
even if what you are saying is true just shows what a waste a12x is and its nothing than bragging
it may be fast at watching cat videos but 8cx runs full OS so a13x can be 10times faster but you can do more even on 850 :)
- Kangal
- RN8
- 07 Dec 2018
ZolaIII, 07 Dec 2018Thing is that an i7 or i5 U have 22~25W DTP but in reality ... moreYes, and no.
The actual Wattage can be much smaller than your quoted figures, and it can be higher. It really depends on frequency (and some binning). Overall, though its less than 25W and closer to 18W with both the CPU and iGPU running. And yes, that's still higher than the ARM SoC's, perhaps even double them at 9W.... yet, overall it has less difference in real-world because you still need power for the motherboard components, screen, speakers etc etc.
You might be saving yourself ~30% battery life in real-world scenarios, rather than the expected ~110% figures. And so it might only afford you to increase a typical 10-hour battery life to 12-hour battery life. Sure, that extra 2 hours is definitely nice. However, you're now looking at a system that's around ~50% slower during regular Windows 10 use... and when it comes to running x86-64 bit Programs, it becomes around ~400% slower.
On paper, the ARM chips seem competitive. In real-world, they are far behind.
Maybe 10-years later, in 2030, we might see them at parity or even overall victory to ARM Laptops in real-world use..... but its still a long time away.
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- 07 Dec 2018
OwnFix3, 07 Dec 2018Toy OS? Like seriously? Don't be quick with fancy words.ios is very limited for productive work and mulit tasking. There is no escaping that.
iPad pro is the perfect example of hardware that is held back by it's OS. "Toy OS" was borrowed from and article about the ipad pro. And it is very fitting. Apple should launch their version of Windows 10 on ARM for the sake of their own hardware and customers.
Then again if they make the ipad pro worth using, then they also have to strenghten the (long end) sides, and I think it will be just too much for them to handle.
Seeing as there have been rumors about apple going all in on ARM eventually, then perhaps a full fledged Mac OS on ARM isn't that unlikely sometime in the future. With intel's slow progress, then even more likely.
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- 07 Dec 2018
Marco M, 07 Dec 2018For what purpose? A12X is limited by ios, 8cx is not. I... moreToy OS? Like seriously? Don't be quick with fancy words.
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- 07 Dec 2018
Anonymous, 07 Dec 2018Intel I5 series ??? Apple A12x are rival to Intel I7 series... morenot true!
I would never buy Apple so I need something something like this for Windows
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- AppocalypseCo
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- 07 Dec 2018
The Desktop Computing space could get a whole lot more interesting with this announcement.
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- 07 Dec 2018
Anonymous, 07 Dec 2018That's where you wrong kiddo.
It's only windows in name, i... moreOh look, someone trying to use master suppression techniques by calling a grown man for kiddo. I thought such behavior was extinct in 2018, but aparantly I wrong.
It doesn't matter how much one limits windows, even the old RT ran circles around todays ios in terms of productive work. And Windows 10 on ARM is significanlty better than RT, seeing as it's a full version of Windows 10, it can even run windows 10 pro. Sure it runs emulator for x86 programmes, but it does run and multi tasking and actually doing productive work is same as for a normal windows PC.
ios is set up too basic and is such a pain to acutally work in when multitasking. Even android tablets are better, despite their seemingly low priority amungst google and manufacturers. No wonder really, the large smartphones of today can do anything and more than a ios/android tablet does, and in addition we have Windows laptops, hybdrids, tablets or Macs for actual work and portability.
I also think this (smartphones growing bigger screens) is why dual booting tablets didn't really take off (in addition to lack of CPU and driver support). I got one, just to try. One with windows 10 and android 5, needless to say it gets booted in windows every time because why would I boot android when I already have that on my 6.4" phone instead?
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- 07 Dec 2018
Kangal, 07 Dec 2018Im not too hopeful. An Intel a-8750 (x7) was a decently be... moreThing is that an i7 or i5 U have 22~25W DTP but in reality they suck over 50W when GPU & CPU are working hard. On the other hand S8CX is projected to staw at about 7W and even if it stuck 10 it will be two times less than Intel Y series. DTP of an S8CX is much lower than anything Intel can achieve, GPU is better & much more efficient and idle & small tasks power needs are 10x better (thanks to little core's) while A76 lies at 70~75% of the performance of an Intel's X86 one but you get 2x more of them. Still a S8CX needs a Linux to bread and archive it's full potential as Windows is a failure.
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- Anonymous
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- 07 Dec 2018
Marco M, 07 Dec 2018For what purpose?
A12X is limited by ios, 8cx is not. I... moreThat's where you wrong kiddo.
It's only windows in name, in reality ARM based windows is heavily limited, some apps can't be even run, some can be only emulated which cause severe performance drop.
Well you can always choice linux though....
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- 07 Dec 2018
Anonymous, 07 Dec 2018I want an 8CX vs A12X comparison !!For what purpose?
A12X is limited by ios, 8cx is not. It's a walkover victory for the 8cx as it can actually get some proper work done and not be limited by it's OS. Apple needs to move more in the direction of Microsoft's surface products, and give their ipad pro's a proper OS, not that silly ios toy OS.
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- Anonymous
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- 07 Dec 2018
SpiritWolf, 07 Dec 2018Oh, really? There were times when Windows Mobile was no 1 s... morethere was no such time, palm then symbian were the number 1 smartphone os's of old.
WP was never better than android, except for the smooth scrolling, other than that it lacks in every aspect, it was more closed than iOS. it lacks so many features from the starts, windows mobile was more open than windows phone
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- 07 Dec 2018
Anonymous, 07 Dec 2018Only Apple makes the best tablet chipsets, so doesnt matter... moreBut bundles them with useless iOS.
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- dWg
- 07 Dec 2018
Well there's a reason Intel keeps renaming m series CPU-s.
Might be an unsatisfactory performance ?!