Samsung has finished the development of next-gen 5nm EUV node
- Walter C. Dornez
- qig
- 17 Apr 2019
AnonD-558092, 16 Apr 2019Unless Qualcomm does that too, I highly doubt it.Yeah, but why would they care. Exynos had been more powerful than Snapdragon for a while now
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- 17 Apr 2019
Kangal, 17 Apr 2019We're expecting a new ARM Mali G78, Cortex A58, and Cortex ... moreWhen you said Switch, I instantly thought of what the Switch Pro (rumored for this summer) would get. A 10nm Tegra NX (because the C2 exists already) with quad A76 (or Quad Denver2), Pascal GPU like the X2, which should be enough for 4K support of older titles and perhaps new titles too.
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- RN8
- 17 Apr 2019
Kiyasuriin, 16 Apr 2019A57 is a high performance "BIG" core. If anything it'll be ... moreWe're expecting a new ARM Mali G78, Cortex A58, and Cortex A78 being announced soon and released to licensees. It will use an updated DynamIQ system (similar to QSD 855) and have tighter latencies and better bandwidth thanks to DDR5 RAM.
This is in contrast to the current DDR4X RAM, Mali G76, Cortex A76, and Cortex A55 systems on a chip.
There's a good chance Samsung will improve their Mongoose M5 core microarchitecture, while mating it to a proper lithography improvement/node jump. They will have one big main core to rival Apple's A11-Bionic Huge Core. This would make them the leaders in the Android marketshare at least. Then similar to the QSD 855, they will then use three standard Big Cores (A76, not A78 though), and four Small Cores (A55, not A58 though).
On top of this, Samsung will stop using Mali GPUs to beat the likes of MediaTek and HiSilicon, and catch up to Apple and Qualcomm's graphics. They will use their own in-house GPU, and that means Samsung buying out the remainder of ImaginationTechnologies, and integrating PowerVR GPU into their semiconductor facility.
As for radio technology, the industry has more or less caught up to Qualcomm when it comes to dual-connection LTE/4G+ technology. The focus on 5G is by and large meaningless for consumers for the next 3-years (not mainstream). So on this front, it doesn't matter much for the next couple flagship SoC from Qualcomm, Apple, Samsung, HiSilicon, MediaTek, or the other companies.
However, the sad news is that audio seems to have been neglected. So we can expect the same low quality audio quality, or perhaps even worse. Unless the phone has a separate QuadDAC built in like you find in the LG flagships and Razer Phone.
There's no news from Nvidia and their Tegra division, even though the Nintendo Switch is long-due for an upgraded SoC (perhaps it will come from another SoC provider).
And of course, both Intel and AMD have their own strategies for the silicon market, and neither are (directly) focusing on Ultra Low Voltage processors to be used in tablets, phones, or maybe even a GPD Win3.
....that's all the "credible" information I have floating around from the enthusiast rumour mill. Unless you want me to mention the yearly rumours of the next flagship SoC, eg Apple A13, making their way into the latest MacBook Air and Mac Mini.
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- Anonymous
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- 16 Apr 2019
ZolaIII, 16 Apr 2019Well all your radios (cellular, BT, Wi-Fi, GPS...) are stil... morePeople should realize there is no liniar improvement proportional or invers proportional with the scale of the density. From 14nm to 5nm you barely improve power efficiency. It gets to a limit beyond that you need more power to push electrons and get higher rate of harware error. Only a new revolutionary technology can do further improvements.
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- 16 Apr 2019
Anonymous, 16 Apr 2019"Samsung claims that the 5nm node boasts 25% better logic a... moreThe numbers are at the same ISO.
Aka, the reduction on power draw is IF you take a s855 with the same clocks and blocks and just produce it on 5nm; it will consume less than the current 7nm.
And as someone already said, most companies dont do that, they make a tradeoff: more performance at the same power consumption (or even more/a bit less) as current chips.
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- 16 Apr 2019
Anonymous, 16 Apr 2019"Samsung claims that the 5nm node boasts 25% better logic a... moreWell all your radios (cellular, BT, Wi-Fi, GPS...) are still based on old planar (analogue and mixed circuit's) lithographic proces and are crying for improvements, also FinFET in generally uses more power in active idle state's. While device body volumes & battery capacity remained the same the display size increased significantly with new asymmetrical aspect ratios (17~25%), their efficiency didn't improve much. I hope you understand now why you ain't seeing any progress because design setbacks & vendor laziness.
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- 16 Apr 2019
Anonymous, 16 Apr 2019It isnt as faster as 7nm was compared to 10nm. Only 10% pe... moreIt's a 7 nm FinFET (10 nm truly) with increased number of EUV layers on UHD rooting libs. The gain is small in the Samsungs case when compared to the TSMC one because TSMC used the T9 rooting libs 7 nm DUV for it's comparison while Samsung used 7 nm HD lib EUV (that has around 20% density advantage already).
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- Anonymous
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- 16 Apr 2019
A 5nm fabrication is a fantastic achievement - Intel always said getting closer to 1 nm was more and more technologically difficult to do.
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- 16 Apr 2019
Anonymous, 16 Apr 2019"Samsung claims that the 5nm node boasts 25% better logic a... moreThe fact is that we demand more. The power efficiency is traded for power.
And, their claims are true. Remember laptops from a decade ago. They were big, ran hot, battery lasted only an hour or so. Today, you have fanless ultrabooks that have a long-lasting battery that can make 3D graphics, something those old laptops would struggle to do. Gaming laptops today are lighter and thinner than those general purpose laptops from 10 years ago, and are about as powerful as a data center from that time. Okay that's hyperbolic, but you get the idea.
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- 16 Apr 2019
Anonymous, 16 Apr 2019America and its Intel are so far behind Samsung and TSMC in... moreIntel's 14nm is soooooo much more power efficient than Samsung or TSMC's 14nm.
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- 16 Apr 2019
Anonymous, 16 Apr 2019"Samsung claims that the 5nm node boasts 25% better logic a... moreextremely true. couldnt agree more.specially last line
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- Anonymous
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- 16 Apr 2019
It isnt as faster as 7nm was compared to 10nm.
Only 10% performance increase compared to 30% with 7nm over 10nm.
So we are reaching the boundry just like in laptop processors that you dont need to renew your device every year , but even after 5 years.
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- Anonymous
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- 16 Apr 2019
Anonymous, 16 Apr 2019"Samsung claims that the 5nm node boasts 25% better logic a... morePhones are made of more things than a chipset... Ever thought of your display maybe?
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- 16 Apr 2019
Anonymous, 16 Apr 2019"Samsung claims that the 5nm node boasts 25% better logic a... moreCpu is not everything, there is GPU, Ram, Screen, different sensors which increase year by year, and more important than anything more power hungry apps, 4G network and now 5G etc... So, improving battery life the way you expect it is only possible if you use 2g and 5-10 years old apps that needed much less cpu and also use much smaller screen so, if today CPU where as power hungry as 5-10 years old CPU then you couldn't even use your phone for 2 hours. Problem is not about how much cpu and other parts of phones are efficient, the problem is battery technology didn't change for last 20 years or so and we still use similar batteries that a 20 years old phone had. With new battery technologies we could have a week of battery life at least.
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- 16 Apr 2019
And here i thought it would be really complicated and expensive to produce a 5nm chip.
I'm carrying a oneplus 5T with a 10nm chip, i wanted to buy the oneplus 7 or even wait for the 7T but i guess i will wait for the oneplus 8.
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- 16 Apr 2019
TSMC already announced they don’t foresee any problem going to 5nm and 3nm and are already lining up customers
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- Anonymous
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- 16 Apr 2019
"Samsung claims that the 5nm node boasts 25% better logic area efficiency with 20% lower power consumption or around 10% higher performance for the same power draw."
Heard similary fantastic claims way too many times before... If every new chip provided at least remotely similar improvements in real life as manufacturers promise, we wouldn't need to charge our phones more than once a month.
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- 16 Apr 2019
Anonymous, 16 Apr 2019America and its Intel are so far behind Samsung and TSMC in... moreOn your last statement, I believe that it'll be a never-ending process.
The only thing that's getting the way is the structure of the equipments to build the chipsets.
Since units of measure is infinite like numbers, the world in the next thousands of years might still be continuing to shrink down the nodes to quantum physics level with insanely advanced technologies like this EUV node.
That is, if future technological gadgets are still going to use the same concept as our modern smartphones have, which I believe wouldn't be the case, and there will be time that a new, different, and better concept will be laid down.
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- Anonymous
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- 16 Apr 2019
America and its Intel are so far behind Samsung and TSMC in chip-making now. I don't think they will ever catch up. Samsung are making 5nm, and TSMC have been mass-producing 7nm for almost a year, but Intel are still struggling to get their 10nm to work.
And of course there's still the debate on whether Intel's chips are secure (Intel Active Management, and their built-in 2nd CPU and Minix running in parallel that can "listen" to everything the main OS and programs are doing)
The whole technology landscape is changing so fast. And the big question: how small can we make the chip features before we have to think of something else. 3nm? 1nm?
- Kiyasuriin
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- 16 Apr 2019
Walter C. Dornez, 16 Apr 2019If anything, maybe it's time to make their own GPUs. That w... moreA57 is a high performance "BIG" core. If anything it'll be A56 or A58...