Chinese company Fortsense patents FP scanner under LCD

26 April 2019
Manufacturers are expected to launch low-end smartphones with the tech by the end of 2019.

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Anonymous, 26 Apr 2019Samsung and LG uses evaporation. Joled uses inkjet print. ... moreYep, that's what I've been saying but completely forgot their names.

Anonymous, 26 Apr 2019I forgot to say, this price is the Bravia Master Series 8K ... moreIf I'm not mistaken, that's also the world's first 10,000 nits TV.

Anonymous, 26 Apr 2019LG , Apple and Sony are using oled for flagships so tech si... moreHmm, maybe not just that. They only want to keep up with times, and their utilization of OLED is just for temporary thing while they develop their upcoming microLEDs instead.

ProJames-CHM, 26 Apr 20191- That remains to be seen. I'm in favor of more competitio... more1 - The only thing I'm worried about is the supply of materials to manufacture OLED panels, though I do think there will be more alternatives to it, that are far more diverse in the world and also renewable at the same time, and all without affecting the image quality too much. Manufacturing isn't the problem, but the materials are, so once that gets isolated, then it'll just be an easy peasy job for OLED manufacturers to do their job.

2 - I read the article for the new OLED manufacturing process discovered in Japan, and AFAIR, its image quality isn't anything different from the quality of a panel that's made in the traditional way. The only difference between the newly discovered one and the old process is that the former is more complex to be done, but the total cost is much less since the process itself is more accessible.

ProJames-CHM, 26 Apr 2019I'm thinking their manufacturing process isn't ready for su... moreSamsung Display is perfectly capable of supplying other brands with their OLED panels, so I don't think production is an issue here. Also, they could actually try and create a large Super AMOLED panel and it'll be fine, just like the one on the Galaxy View and upcoming View 2.
Heck, if they're not confident enough, then they could nicely ask their neighbor LG to supply them some good panels, since those are proven to be the current best in the business.
It's true, QLEDs are very good in image quality, but at best, they could only match Sony's Bravia Z series, while the Bravia A OLED series benefit from Sony's excellent image upscaling and rendering. And speaking of image processing, I also don't understand why Samsung isn't bringing their TV technologies to their phones like Sony does.
Xperia XZ3's OLED panel blew the Galaxy Note 9's panel away due to the complement of Sony Bravia technologies, and that's just from the very first try of an OLED smartphone.

Anyway, microLED is a good investment, but it'll be a heck of a long time before it's ready to mass production, so the best that they could do is to ride the current OLED hype as they try to prepare their microLED.
Once microLED gets ready, LG will be the biggest loser because of their major investment into OLED. Today, they're getting the success of OLED since it's the current best in the realm, but their lack of investment (or maybe just little bit) to microLED will surely cost them so much in the long run.

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Melv, 26 Apr 2019I am very much impressed by the creativity of Chinese peopl... moreAnd sometimes, they still tehnology from another OEMs, and use with cheaper price, because, there is not much cost to steel someone work, and research. Also, in many cases, like pionir Motorola, or BB, or Nokia (HMD >>Foxconnâś“), they buy those tehnology, licences, for 5% price, and use most of the tehnology that comes is that cheap pacage..

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Next news: Xiaomi budget phone with IPS screen, and with fp under display, and price tag 150$ pop up on tena :D

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Anonymous, 26 Apr 2019LG , Apple and Sony are using oled for flagships so tech si... moreLG was experimenting with OLED technology in a consumer phone in *2003*. The VX-4600 ( https://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=314 ) used OLED for the external status/notification light bar. I don't know if there is an even earlier example.

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Just die already crappy oled screen.
Power ineficient, colour inacurate, a lot of burn in and a lot of dimming and yellow tinted over time and of couse expensive.

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>Questionable performance
>Questionable reliability
>Questionable behaviour with screen protector
>Questionable behaviour on scratched/cracked screen
>Adds cost on the phone and thus its price

"WOW THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN REGULAR FP SCANNER" ~said no1 ever

  • Anonymous

optical is inferior use Hi-res touch sensors JDI solution or rear!

great idea, can't wait it will come out on cheap Redmi phone

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ProJames-CHM, 26 Apr 20191- That remains to be seen. I'm in favor of more competitio... moreSamsung and LG uses evaporation.
Joled uses inkjet print.

Inkjet wastes less material and is more efficient than evaporation.

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Melv, 26 Apr 2019I am very much impressed by the creativity of Chinese peopl... moreJDi is working on this since 2017 ...

https://www.neowin.net/news/japan-display-unveils-new-in-screen-fingerprint-scanner-for-lcds/

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Shanti Dope, 26 Apr 2019Wow, that's insane! Anyway, OLED is still generally more e... moreI forgot to say, this price is the Bravia Master Series 8K Z9G HDR 98"

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Shanti Dope, 26 Apr 2019That's actually the good thing with collaboration, and Sams... moreLG , Apple and Sony are using oled for flagships so tech sites can stop to complain.
If Samsung never had oled phones, none of them would do that ...

Shanti Dope, 26 Apr 20191 - Many screen manufacturers have entered the game. BOE an... more1- That remains to be seen. I'm in favor of more competition, though if they can't all keep up with Samsung's production, OLED prices will still stagnate (what good does it make to have 1k cheap OLEDs? After those are gone, ask Sammy for pricey AMOLEDs or back to LCD. 1k is just an example figure)

2- Yeah but what I meant is: Does the cheaper process allows them to make good quality panels? Since you know LCDs have sub-types like IPS and TN. If this process results in TN-grade panels, even with competition, TN is TN and TN is crap. You know there are tons of TVs that only state "LCD" and they often are just TN and are awful to look at. Even the best TN panels are far from IPS, which are pricier to manufacture

Shanti Dope, 26 Apr 2019That could be a factor, but the thing that boggles my mind ... moreI'm thinking their manufacturing process isn't ready for such large OLED panels. Or that durability isn't acceptable and would create costly, under warranty problems (a burn-in is covered by warranty and by law where applicable, imagine how much it would cost to replace those every 2 years for a reasonable 5-10 years).

They went ahead on QLED, seems it has the "Quantum Dot" whatever advertising going on and it works. Their QLED TVs actually have marvelous image quality and colors. And they are investing heavily in MicroLED, which is objectively better than OLED since it's non-organic yet has all OLED's advantages and is scalable.

IMO I would never buy an OLED TV. I am lucky to have law protecting me against such problems I said before, but do I really want to call the repairman every year or so so he/she changes the OLED panel due to burn-in? My phone may suffer from burn-in, but it's quicker to head to a repair center, wait an hour or so and get back my phone.

I am very much impressed by the creativity of Chinese people. They can create/innovate tech products and sell them at an affordable price. No wonder they are prospering while other non-Chinese companies are failing.