Chinese company Fortsense patents FP scanner under LCD

26 April 2019
Manufacturers are expected to launch low-end smartphones with the tech by the end of 2019.

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Anonymous, 26 Apr 2019The most expensive TVs are LCD .... Sony just announced... moreWow, that's insane!
Anyway, OLED is still generally more expensive than LCD of similar specifications.

    Anonymous, 26 Apr 2019Micro Led does not allow camera behind screen, exactly wha... moreWell, nobody really needs a camera behind the screen, and a screen at the back is the real solution to get rid of the front camera completely (it's inferior in quality to the main cameras anyway, so what's the point?)
    Manufacturers must realize that thing.

    For now, they definitely do cost more, just as OLED is significantly more expensive than LCD in the past, but has definitely gotten cheaper and closer to LCD cost production.
    Same thing will happen to microLED, it will just take time.

    I don't see the point of foldable phones. Aren't the current huge-a** phones we have today already enough?
    For that, OLEDs will be better suited, but as we can see, the demand ain't really that high, indicating how insignificant it is to most people.

      Anonymous, 26 Apr 2019Few of the Galaxy J had oled, because since they belonged ... moreThat's actually the good thing with collaboration, and Samsung should've still used the display as a major advantage over their competitors for the same price segment, all while bringing even more compelling phones to rival and even surpass many Chinese budget offerings.
      If the Galaxy A20 had the same Super AMOLED display as the A50, I'm pretty sure it'll be an even tougher competitor to something like the Redmi Note 7.

      I'm not really suggesting all OEMs to go full OLED in a sudden. Switching to the new technology will be gradual, and they should do it as early as today or next year, so that when the production rate is already sufficient, then that'll be the time to go full OLED and abandon LCD completely.
      Again, there are many new OLED manufacturers entering the competition, which would massively help reduce the cost of OLED panels even further without compromising in the quality.

      Any phone with LCD will definitely lose out to OLED of the same segment. That's why smartphone manufacturers must already start utilizing OLED on some of their high end devices at least, and gradually abandon LCDs.

        AnonD-558092, 26 Apr 2019That sounds wonderful, BUT 1: Are yields high? Otherwise p... more1 - Many screen manufacturers have entered the game. BOE and JDI are preparing their factories for even higher rate of production of OLED panels, and that is to somehow sustain the demand for the panels for high end devices at least. More suppliers mean less workload for each one of those manufacturers, which in turn will allow them to reduce their prices since the pressure for production will be lessened.
        And as I was saying, the newly discovered cheaper alternative process of making an OLED panel will help make OLED screens more affordable, and once the manufacturers utilize this technique, then we would all benefit from lower cost productions of OLEDs without compromising the quality of the panels themselves. So in short, yes it will be sustained because of the new players that entered the game.

        2 - In relation to more players in the OLED game that I've stated above, I'm pretty sure that there'd be some competition among them. The competition then will inspire the manufacturers to produce higher quality panels, since they'd be out of the game if they can't.
        In that competition, we customers would expect nothing short of great panels from the suppliers.

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          • AnonD-794992
          • HLw
          • 26 Apr 2019

          I dont know why people are so opsesed about amoled displays. Recently my grandmother brought a mate 20. The mate 9 is noticeably brighter that mate 9. So far I have compared the mate 9 with s8, s9, P20 pro, mate 20 Pro, note 9 and still mate 9 is the brightest of them all. The black levels for an lcd is very good.and cost to replace the display is much more cheaper than amoled. The mate 9 display is the main reason keeping me from upgrade

            AnonD-558092, 26 Apr 2019Or maybe that's because Samsung Electronics can somehow hyp... moreThat could be a factor, but the thing that boggles my mind is about why Samsung's Mobile division use OLED while their TV division still doesn't want to produce a flagship OLED TV.
            I mean, even Sony is now starting to make a balance between an OLED flagship TV and IPS LCD flagship, and only LG is pretty much full OLED on their high end lineup since they have the capacity to produce that many panels.
            Is it that Samsung themselves don't have full trust on their own technology, that they're doubting their very own products?
            If Super AMOLED or Dynamic AMOLED is that good as they are claiming it, then why aren't they producing a TV using that tech?

              Correction: Quality OLEDs are made by two manufacturers Samsung and BOE

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                • Anonymous
                • LQv
                • 26 Apr 2019

                Shanti Dope, 26 Apr 2019Main reason why Apple is going full OLED in 2020 is because... moreThe most expensive TVs are LCD ....

                Sony just announced a TV that costs $70000

                  Making OLED cost is less than LCD ..
                  No LCD in future mobile ..
                  Google it

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                    • Anonymous
                    • LQv
                    • 26 Apr 2019

                    Shanti Dope, 26 Apr 2019For $150 and less, it might be. Beyond that, OLED will be ... moreMicro Led does not allow camera behind screen, exactly what all major brands wants to do.
                    Also they cost much more than Oled.
                    Also it cant be flexed (something I dont care, foldable phones are silly)

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                      • Anonymous
                      • LQv
                      • 26 Apr 2019

                      Shanti Dope, 26 Apr 2019More and more companies are investing to OLEDs, which in tu... moreFew of the Galaxy J had oled, because since they belonged to Samsung the price charged by Samsung Display was much cheaper.

                      Except Samsung, Huawei and Apple the rest cant afford using oled for all their lineup.
                      Most of the chinese brands do not even use USB C and NFC for their sub $200 devices.
                      Oled is impossible, as long LCD keeps getting much cheaper.

                      Companies like Motorola, LG, Sony and Asus already lose money with LCD devices, if they use only oled they will lose more, unless they charge the difference which can be much more than $50.

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                        Shanti Dope, 26 Apr 2019Main reason why Apple is going full OLED in 2020 is because... moreThat sounds wonderful, BUT
                        1: Are yields high? Otherwise production will be low and the price advantage will become void.
                        2: Is the panel quality good? Including color gamut and accuracy.

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                          Shanti Dope, 26 Apr 2019More and more companies are investing to OLEDs, which in tu... moreOr maybe that's because Samsung Electronics can somehow hypothetically get preferential prices from... Samsung Display? It does sound like a stretch I know.

                            Miscellaneous, 26 Apr 2019The reason they're going full oled is because their phones ... moreMain reason why Apple is going full OLED in 2020 is because they have enough suppliers of panels to their products by that time.
                            XR was rather cut down in the display resolution department, but the panel itself is flagship level. At $750, it certainly isn't Apple's best offering from last year, and it should be noted for those who are buying it.
                            Android OEMs, on the other hand, are perfectly capable of offering OLED in the $400-$500 range, and it's just a matter of more manufacturers investing to the technology for it to get cheaper.
                            Besides, we have Japanese researchers who discovered a cheaper way of manufacturing OLED panels compared to the usual like Samsung's Super AMOLED or Dynamic AMOLED whatever you call it.
                            It might be more complex than Samsung's process, but the overall cost will be lower, and may even guarantee better quality panels as well.
                            IPS LCDs are slowly but surely dying in the high end market, and it'll just be a few years until the budget range also go full OLED. That's simply how technology works.

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                              • Anonymous
                              • IWH
                              • 26 Apr 2019

                              No.

                                But does it offer any benefit over the rear sensor other than looking cooler?

                                  Shanti Dope, 26 Apr 2019For $150 and less, it might be. Beyond that, OLED will be ... moreThe reason they're going full oled is because their phones are always 600 plus.. every phone company is already oled for phones they put on sale for that price so its not a copying thing at all, its just value for money, and in the case of apple and its ips lcd Xr that was definitely not value for money.

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                                    • 26 Apr 2019

                                    Anonymous, 26 Apr 2019i am afraid the answer to you is YES, LCD will still be the... moreSome mid range Samsung devices use LCD still too, I kind of prefer LCD on my Nokia than the OLED on my galaxy s10e , I only really use my devices in doors and set brightness to the lowest setting with auto brightness off, unless I'm out for the day of course, but I like to ignore my phone when I'm out.

                                    OLED on lowest setting, or at least on the handsets I've used (mainly Samsung note and s series) have the purple fringing or bleed when scrolling quickly.. my LCDs haven't shown this

                                      Anonymous, 26 Apr 2019i am afraid the answer to you is YES, LCD will still be the... moreFor $150 and less, it might be.
                                      Beyond that, OLED will be possible already.
                                      Apple, aka the trendsetter, is going full OLED in 2020, and as Chinese OEMs love to mimic whatever Apple is doing, I'm pretty sure they'd be offering some OLED smartphones in the budget segment in the future.
                                      That'll be the case until LCD goes extinct, and the next upgrade from OLED will be microLED.

                                        Anonymous, 26 Apr 2019Low ends? Do you think that all phones below $300 will ... moreMore and more companies are investing to OLEDs, which in turn will make them cheaper as they go even more popular.
                                        Previous Galaxy J phones already had OLED screens for less than $300, and they are of good quality, which indicates that OLEDs for budget phones is possible, and any reasoning to go against it is just pure ignorance and a ridiculous excuse not to offer them.

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