Bittium Tough Mobile 2 is "the world's most secure smartphone"

27 May 2019
Not only that, but it's shock, drop, dust, and water resistant too.

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  • Simba
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  • 03 Apr 2024

I am waiting for new answer from their customer service.
They answered me a couple years ago and at least they mentioned that without Google-servises or Apps, instalizing a new Apps, an APK-files can be used, but some of Apps that requires Google-services to functioning can maybe not be used for this reason. Sorry about my bad eng.

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    • dZv
    • 11 Oct 2021

    It runs Android 9. Many security features mentioned in their website, you need to pay for or subscribe (1200 EUR/Year)!. They offer Google-less version as well. I can not understand why they sell such expensive phone, and make basic features not functioning w/o pay!. Example, multi-user accounts (or spaces). It is a feature in Android 5+, but they disabled it and made it available with subscription. Also, Emergency button and PTT, both are a physical buttons, but no supported free bundled App.

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      • annon 2
      • n5V
      • 15 Dec 2020

      Anonymous, 28 May 2019Bittium: we have the world's most secure smartphone Me: wh... moreanonymous in your opinion what is the most secure privacy phone

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        • Anonymous
        • niA
        • 04 Apr 2020

        I have sent the questions below to the company 6 months ago. Still no answer.
        Before buying, I'd recommend to go through that. Then one can say that they are selling a secure phone (or is the OS some copy of GrapheneOS?)

        1/ Can the phone be shipped free of proprietary Google Apps? Most people who want a secure phone don't want spyware with admin rights loaded on their phone.

        2/ There are cases where the phone will erase itself. Is there an integrated backup software to do external (non cloud) backup of the configuration and apps?

        3/ Is it possible to have the phone ringing in privacy mode?

        4/ Is the software open source? How can your customers audit the code?

        5/ Do you have reproducible builds for your source code?

        6/ How easy is it to execute AT commands on your device?

        7/ How well do you isolate the modem chip from memory? Do you have access to its source code or do you use proprietary blobs? Basically are you better than Librem 5 or PinePhone on that?

        8/ What do you do to mitigate Simjacker attacks? This is one possible vector for AT commands.

        9/ Do you have real hardware kill-switch? for:
        - microphone (privacy mode but is it hardware?)
        - mobile network
        - wifi

        10/ Is your encryption similar/better than the Google Pixel 3?

        11/ Is your bootchain security similar/better than the Google Pixel 3?

        12/ What does "Always-on security monitoring non-dependent on battery level" mean in practice?

        13/ Is the software in use for "Bittium Secure suite" installed by default if "Bittium Secure suite" is not in use by the customer?

        14/ Why does the "Multicontainer feature" require the "Bittium Secure suite" cloud platform?

        15/ Does "iZat positioning framework" send data such as nearby Wifi SSID/MAC addresses to a remote server? Is it possible to disable it?

        16/ Is it possible to replace Google's Wifi positioning software (Wifi SSID/MAC to coordinates) by Mozilla's or DéjàVu?

        17/ Now regarding manufacturing. how do you make sure that no slavery/war is involved in your supply chain for raw material?

        18/ How sustainable is your supply chain? Of course every phone needs rare metal extraction so it will never have a neutral impact.

        19/ In your manual, you have:

        "Any modification to this product is prohibited and will invalidate the warranty. Opening the device and using the components for purposes not otherwise authorized by this document, including any use in airplanes or any other Aviation application, is prohibited and will invalidate the warranty. Allow only authorized personnel to service the device and its accessories. Unauthorized service will invalidate the warranty "

        What does it mean regaring airplanes? Should it be switched off when flying?

        20/ Do you have a refund policy if the customer is not satisfied with the product?

        21/ Is there a way to prevent choosen apps from accessing the Internet?

        22/ Is there mac address randomization on the go to prevent tracking in places like shopping malls and JCDecaux advertising spots?

          Hardware-based privacy mode is extremely important , since actions can not by bypassed by software . It can be learned from Defense strategies in computing in Wikipedia :
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_strategy_(computing)
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_switch


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            • Anonymous
            • YPe
            • 31 Aug 2019

            Nillionaire , 28 May 2019How can android be secure ?Because it’s an open source OS, you can make Android anything.

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              • AnonD-731363
              • SH3
              • 30 May 2019

              Vic4BBM, 30 May 2019Man , please try to understand what you read. I said min... moreYes i understand.

                AnonD-731363, 29 May 2019Man just one answer to apple security. https://bgr.com/20... moreMan , please try to understand what you read.

                I said minimal not impossible.
                If you understand what is the difference.

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                  • AnonD-731363
                  • SH3
                  • 29 May 2019

                  Anonymous, 28 May 2019- secure - runs android Joke ad & title = 9000+man its called hardened android.

                  Wich is a lot more secure and durable than absic one.

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                    • AnonD-731363
                    • SH3
                    • 29 May 2019

                    FreedaBees, 28 May 2019Just get a Samsung phone that can run Secure Folder. I am ... moreMaybe because they are fuss not a proper company ahahaha.

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                      • AnonD-731363
                      • SH3
                      • 29 May 2019

                      Anonymous, 28 May 2019i have my eyes at bittium for quite sometime. the only thin... moreMan how can you crample 4000 mAh into a 5,2 inch??? Not possible.

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                        • AnonD-731363
                        • SH3
                        • 29 May 2019

                        Vic4BBM, 28 May 2019Better buy a blackberry. But buying an Apple iPhone is s... moreMan just one answer to apple security.
                        https://bgr.com/2018/08/16/apple-servers-hacked-teen-sensitive-data-year/

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                          • AnonD-731363
                          • SH3
                          • 29 May 2019

                          Anonymous, 28 May 2019I tought that samsung phones are the most secure since they... moreMan samsung is secure as muxch as apple which has been breached by 5 years kid few years ago. You can google that. It was a big shock for Apple company.

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                            • taC
                            • 29 May 2019

                            Ghostwolf87, 28 May 2019Secure and Android can not exist in the same sentence.hahahaha.................

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                              • Solid
                              • sXb
                              • 28 May 2019

                              Isn't expandable SDcard memory a security risk ?

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                                • Anonymous
                                • pdc
                                • 28 May 2019

                                Note: based on the _hardened_ Android

                                it is not all google code.

                                  Secure and Android can not exist in the same sentence.

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                                    • Anonymous
                                    • Srh
                                    • 28 May 2019

                                    Cut the crap google software and most secured...that a joke...all have a button to press for flymode kind off.
                                    If it was a unique OS and sield, not possible update and syncronising option and no social apps instaled in it in advaace...then you might call it more secure than other phones, otherwise is just marketing ideology by that company that's all.

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                                      • Anonymous
                                      • MwH
                                      • 28 May 2019

                                      - secure
                                      - runs android

                                      Joke ad & title = 9000+

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                                        • FreedaBees
                                        • nyG
                                        • 28 May 2019

                                        Jay23, 28 May 2019Don't worry in matter of time its boot loader will be unloc... moreNo it won't. Any wacky hackies managed to compromise Samsung's Secure Folder? Thought not.

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