Four Xiaomi phones will use Samsung's 108 MP camera in the near future
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Anonymous, 03 Sep 2019C'mon, the 808 was a failure, very few were sold, and that ... moreVery few were sold? Was failure? I wonder in which world do you live...
As proud 808 owner I can confirm, no phone has better sensor until today. Give it HDR and it will SMASH every cameraphone.
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Khuan, 03 Sep 2019This is because less and less people going to buy SAMSUNG G... moreThe flaw in your statement is that Samsung was one of only a few companies to see increased shipments in Q2 2019 compared to Q2 2018. Most saw declines.
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Nick Tagataka, 03 Sep 2019In that case I would much more prefer to have 80MP sensor w... moreThat would be great, but 164MP at 0.8um pixel or 41MP at 1.6um pixel actually works out to 104MP at 1.0um pixel or 26MP at 2.0um pixel, which is larger than 80MP at 1.0um pixel or 20MP at 2.0um pixel.
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- 03 Sep 2019
Nick Tagataka, 03 Sep 2019In that case I would much more prefer to have 80MP sensor w... moreMaybe for 8K? Its about time phones are capable of that. Sensors, processors and cooling hw are ready, affordable screens will come later but you will surely enjoy better sharpness on 4K screens, or stills from those videos. The same as it was with FHD vs 4K difference is big. Just compare 8mp and 32mp(or similar done with ultraclarity mode). 108mp outputting 27mp in hdr is close to that 32mp, because of quad bayer its better binned 27mp than not binned 40/48mp. I'm sure sensors wont stay all at 108mp, there may be even some 192mp monsters, and that is in short term. Who know what comes year after that.
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AnonD-875092, 03 Sep 2019Samsung is being a fool. Why sell top cams to their competi... moreThis is because less and less people going to buy SAMSUNG Galaxy phone. Soon SAMSUNG mobile department will become like SONY.
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O S, 03 Sep 2019Can't wait till we get back to Nokia 808 sensor size with t... moreIn that case I would much more prefer to have 80MP sensor with 1µm pixel pitch which can be binned down to 20MP, I mean why on earth would you need 41MP as a default resolution anyway?
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AnonD-875092, 03 Sep 2019So you are a blind fanboy, just buy because of brand name..... moreFanboy? Are you kidding me? I've used both and Xiaomi is much better than laggy Samsung. Don't lie and don't say if Samsung don't lag.
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Nick Tagataka, 03 Sep 2019Old Nokia phones use oversampling and image downscaling, wh... moreCan't wait till we get back to Nokia 808 sensor size with the advancement both in hardware and software we have today; Sony IMX 1/1.2 inch sensor size and 164MP(effectively 41MP) with stacked fast DRAM coupled with 5-axis OIS and EAF, compared to this 1/1.33 inch 108MP(27MP).
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- 03 Sep 2019
Don't mind me , I am waiting for 192 MP QuadBayer with 1 inch sensor
It will come at the start of 2021
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Anonymous, 03 Sep 2019Sony sensors are the one that started this MP trend and int... moreSorry to say but on one needs more pixels but larger camera sensor
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AverageUser, 03 Sep 2019It'll be interesting to see what happens when industry fina... moreSony sensors are the one that started this MP trend and introduced 40mp and 48mp sensors
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yogivansh, 03 Sep 2019because there is no purview team that was behind this tech,... moreOld Nokia phones use oversampling and image downscaling, while those newer sensors utilise pixel binning which is a completely different technology. Quad bayer pixel binning combines light information from 4 pixels with the same color filter that are grouped together in order to produce lower res but less noisy image with wider dynamic range and better color fidelity, hence this 108MP sensor is actually 27MP in terms of effective resolution.
808 uses a FSI sensor which means it's not as sensitive to lights as the sheer sensor size suggests, and it uses regular bayer matrix hence its low light performance will be nowhere near as good as this new Samsung sensor. Don't also forget that it's not a stacked sensor so the readout speed can be a problematic and simply might not be fast enough for all the computational multi-frame image processing. Sure, it has a lot of megapixels, but apart from that the sensor itself wasn't really that spectacular. The reason why 808 was such a capable camera was mostly because of the good oversampling processing and the dedicated ISP that allowed the camera to process full 40MP image in an instant, further helped by the fact that there wasn't any practical zoom solution for a smartphone camera at that time.
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- 03 Sep 2019
AnonD-875092, 03 Sep 2019Samsung is being a fool. Why sell top cams to their competi... moreBecause their competitor is the one that created the sensor.
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Anonymous, 03 Sep 2019I will buy Xiaomi phone instead of Samsung any day and nigh... moreSo you are a blind fanboy, just buy because of brand name... So if I rebrand a samsung phone to a xiaomi phone you will buy?
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- 03 Sep 2019
Samsung is being a fool. Why sell top cams to their competitor and use crap cams in their own devices? To give their rivals an edge over them??
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Still, I wonder what will use others, 48mp?, that's gonna be so last year tech.
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- 03 Sep 2019
Ultra clarity from honor is example why use full resolution. Those who know price of full size cameras with such hi res sensor will understand. Even if inferior in quality, resolution is there, what you need more is just do stacking to denoise - improve quality to almost mirorless performance.
Manual mode may not work on moving objects, but if you stack few tens of raws, final picture is sure to be awesome.
BTW I did try view20 with moving objects, it was not bad, maybe it's enough iif objects do not move fast.
I guess processor performance will matter a lot.
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- 03 Sep 2019
I will buy Xiaomi phone instead of Samsung any day and night. Megapixels don't matter.
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Nick Tagataka, 03 Sep 2019"tell me one thing why don't they use these high MP sensors... morebecause there is no purview team that was behind this tech, another reason people want slim mobiles, using 808 sensor makes mobile bulky. if you read properly about nokia's 808 tech you knows better what i am trying to explain. today's sensors are no where near 808, imagine a mobile with 808 sensor, today's processors & computational image processing. probably it could beat every mobile camera till date.
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Derick Abraham, 03 Sep 2019But Samsung uses 12MP on their flagships.
Chinese compa... more"But Samsung uses 12MP on their flagships"
Yeah, and they should stop doing that.