Samsung will start testing the Galaxy S11 periscope camera soon

07 October 2019
MecaTech Systems will reportedly start shipping test hardware for the 5x optical zoom camera on the upcoming flagship.

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  • 12 Oct 2019

SunnyB, 09 Oct 2019"...how else do you assume the lens focuses if a focusing e... more"focusing element focuses whether it moves or not"
There are some serious misunderstandings on your part.
The focusing element(s) focuses the lens, i.e. alters the plane of focus, by moving along the optical axis, there's currently no other possible way for a lens to focus.
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https://photo.stackexchange.com/questions/12034/how-can-a-lens-with-a-single-focal-length-focus-on-more-than-one-plane
See the answer with 9 upvotes.

    This looks impressive.

      SunnyB, 09 Oct 2019If by "FoV" you mean field of view, focal length is not all... more"Why would you say the camera in S11 should be assumed to be fixed focus when the video specifically says it is auto-focus?"
      Now you're making up things I haven't even said. What I was telling you was that this periscope camera will use a 5x telephoto lens which has a 130mm equivalent fixed focal length lens. In other words, it's a PRIME lens.
      The real optical zoom module inside Zenfone Zoom uses 28mm - 84mm equivalent variable focal lengths lens, which can be called ZOOM lens.
      I'm making an assumption that S11's telephoto lens will have a fixed focal length because Samsung now owns the company who also made a fixed focal length periscope telephoto lens for P30 Pro and Reno 10x Zoom. *Obviously* it will have an autofocus(I mean yeah, I'm the one who pointed it out first), but cannot change its zoom range. This is why S Yu was confused by your initial comment as well.

      https://expertphotography.com/understand-focal-length-4-easy-steps/

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        • 11 Oct 2019

        all of pretend to know about FOV , pixel size, sensors isp but you know nothing don't talk when you still sleep

          Nick Tagataka, 09 Oct 2019I'm sorry to say this but I don't see what you're trying to... moreIf by "FoV" you mean field of view, focal length is not all about the FoV. You are confused.

          I'm not trying to prove anything, I'm trying to understand the statement you made - "it's safe to assume that S11 will have the same type of fixed focal length telephoto module as those two instead of the true optical zoom like the one found inside Zenfone Zoom"

          Why assume that? Why is it "safe" to assume that? I see no evidence or reason. So far, since you don't even understand the difference between "fixed focus" and auto-focus, or the difference between focus length or field of view, I'm discarding the statement. Why would you say the camera in S11 should be assumed to be fixed focus when the video specifically says it is auto-focus? For all I know, you are just spreading disinformation.

            SunnyB, 09 Oct 2019Facepalm. "Auto Focus" means that the focal length is va... moreI'm sorry to say this but I don't see what you're trying to prove here. In case if you're confused by the term "focal", here the focal length is all about the FoV and it's nothing to do with the focusing mechanism.

            "If a focusing element does not move, then it has a fixed focal length"
            With your logic almost all telephoto lens on a smartphone must have fixed focus since they have a fixed focal length.

              Nick Tagataka, 09 Oct 2019And when the video shows the lens elements moving, it clear... moreFacepalm.

              "Auto Focus" means that the focal length is varied to match the distance between the object being photographed and the camera.

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                • 09 Oct 2019

                Anonymous, 08 Oct 2019Even S20 will lag. Wait and see.This aint iphone

                  SunnyB, 08 Oct 2019"it's safe to assume that S11 will have the same type of fi... moreAnd when the video shows the lens elements moving, it clearly says "Auto Focus". So this is nothing to do with variable focal length.

                    S Yu, 08 Oct 2019"the optical elements in the S11 moving" ...how else do yo... more"...how else do you assume the lens focuses if a focusing element does not move?"

                    I'm making no assumption. A focusing element focuses whether it moves or not. If a focusing element does not move, then it has a fixed focal length. In most instances, the claims of 2X or 3X zoom you hear are for when there are at least two separate camera modules, each with its own non-movable lens of a fixed focal length and its own image sensor. The 2X or 3X "zoom" is claimed because the fixed focal length of one camera module is 2X or 3X the fixed focal length of the other camera module.

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                      • 09 Oct 2019

                      Anonymous, 08 Oct 2019Even S20 will lag. Wait and see.I’m using S7 edge Exyons Since 3 years and still didn’t lag.

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                        • 08 Oct 2019

                        S Yu, 08 Oct 2019"Huawei would need about 6GB inside sensor do to the task."... moreYes, indepht article comparing Ultrawide, telephoto, main camera, OIS-EIS capabilities, slow motion capabilities of all current flagships.

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                          • 08 Oct 2019

                          Anonymous, 08 Oct 2019Even S20 will lag. Wait and see.So you've never used a smart phone yet? Poor thing

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                            • 08 Oct 2019

                            S Yu, 08 Oct 2019As somebody who's been shooting an ILC for almost 10 years,... moreDng is using manual as far as phones are concerned

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                              • 08 Oct 2019

                              Anonymous, 07 Oct 2019IMX607y does not have DRAM inside. It is same of imx600 (... more"Huawei would need about 6GB inside sensor do to the task."
                              I'm curious as to how you reached that number, we've yet to determine what resolution the slow-mo 720P output mode actually reads out (I suspect 360P), we'll need at least a slow-mo shoot-out, for starters, if not some sort of digging much more sophisticated.

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                                • 08 Oct 2019

                                SunnyB, 08 Oct 2019"it's safe to assume that S11 will have the same type of fi... more"the optical elements in the S11 moving"
                                ...how else do you assume the lens focuses if a focusing element does not move?
                                What really surprises me though is how "MecaTech Systems" popped up, I've never heard of them before while Samsung already has Corephotonics who already provides periscope modules, unless "MecaTech" could somehow surpass them?

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                                  • 08 Oct 2019

                                  Anonymous, 08 Oct 2019You do realize that a true photographer would not shoot in ... moreAs somebody who's been shooting an ILC for almost 10 years, I use auto on my phone, but in Gcam, outputting stacked DNG. Unless Gcam glitches in certain lighting condition, because the stacked DNGs are so malleable, they negate need for manual settings in the majority of situations.

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                                    • 08 Oct 2019

                                    Anonymous, 07 Oct 2019That is very true. Photographer told me Samsung phones ar... moreYou do realize that a true photographer would not shoot in auto mode but manual mode which is available on all Android devices.

                                      Nick Tagataka, 08 Oct 2019Usually when the term "optical zoom" is used on a mobile ph... more"it's safe to assume that S11 will have the same type of fixed focal length telephoto module as those two instead of the true optical zoom like the one found inside Zenfone Zoom"

                                      But the video in the article
                                      https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s11_will_bring_108mp_camera_with_5x_optical_zoom_-news-39346.php

                                      shows the optical elements in the S11 moving, which will change the focal length. Isn't that what "periscope" camera means - that the optical elements move in a direction parallel to the phone surface?

                                        Anonymous, 08 Oct 2019It does not have it, read the specs of the sensor on sony s... moreThey are all custom sensors that Sony was told to make by Huawei, so obviously you can't find information about them on Sony's official website.