Samsung Galaxy S11 to use second-gen 108 MP sensor
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LG Superfan, 04 Nov 2019My guess is either bigger sensor or different processingOr the same sensor but with stacked DRAM.
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Anonymous, 04 Nov 2019It is not just the fact Plastic is not on pair with glass.
... more"Even checking the few devices (all I know are LG) that use glass, mobile lenses do not have same quality of lenses made for cameras"
Why are you checking LG's camera when there is a phone that clearly does better than it? Go look at Mate 30 Pro's 2x Hybrid Zoom samples and come back here, because IMO that phone has the highest quality lens on a mobile phone right now.
"That is huge difference against cellphones"
I don't know what you're trying to imply here... that those cheap compact cameras have terrible lens compared to mobile phones? Then yeah I can certainly see a huge amount of difference between those two.
"There are a lot of even Full Frame lenses that cannot resolve more than 40MP"
...but that doesn't mean there's no mobile phone lens that can resolve near 40MP? A mobile phone camera uses fixed focal length lens which is usually far easier to design compared to those with variable focal lengths, or typically called zoom lens. And yes I know that lot of DSLR lenses (mainly kit lens) cannot resolve more than 40MP.
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Anonymous, 04 Nov 2019Probably a custom variant. There are tons of different 12M... moreMi8 , I mean ....
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LG Superfan, 04 Nov 2019My guess is either bigger sensor or different processingProbably a custom variant.
There are tons of different 12MP 1/2.55" out there.
Xperia 1, Pixel 2, S7, S8, S9, S10, iphone Xs, iphone 11 Pro, Xperia 5, mi9 all have 12MP 1/2.55". But each device has a different sensor.
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Nick Tagataka, 04 Nov 2019Just because a glass lens is higher quality than a plastic ... moreIt is not just the fact Plastic is not on pair with glass.
Even checking the few devices (all I know are LG) that use glass, mobile lenses do not have same quality of lenses made for cameras.
Just take a look at those pocket cameras with 1/2.3". Compare the amount of distortion, corner softness, cromatic aberration etc ... That is huge difference against cellphones.
There are a lot of even Full Frame lenses that cannot resolve more than 40MP.
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Anonymous, 04 Nov 2019Plastic cannot. Plastic will act as filter of the light. ... moreJust because a glass lens is higher quality than a plastic one, that doesn't mean a plastic lens cannot resolve ~40MP of resolution. They are completely separate arguments and nothing to do with each other. Go take a look at sample photos from Mate 30 Pro shot at 2x magnification (where the super resolution digital zoom kicks in), you'll be surprised to see how comparable it is to the 2x telephoto lenses from other phones in terms of detail.
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Shanti Dope, 04 Nov 2019I love higher resolution sensors, but what about utilizing ... more"12MP 1/2.55" B&W"
"ISO 409600 for photo, ISO 102400 for video"
You might need to divide those ISO numbers by 50 if you want something usable out of this sensor. Anything produced at ISO 6400 or above on a regular 1/2.55" sensor would turn out to be a completely mess, and even though a monochrome sensor is 3x as sensitive as and 2x higher in resolution compared to a RGB sensor with exactly the same dimension/MP count, I doubt it could capture a meaningful image at ISO 409600.
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Issue with larger sensors are :
- Lenses are larger, thicker and require more space between elements.
- larger sensors generate more heat. Sensors still have litography above 30nm.
- The OIS size increases as the sensor goes bigger.
Medium Format = 1437 mm2 and 1977mm2
FF = 864mm2
APSC = 380 mm2
Micro 4/3 = 225 mm2
1" = 116,16 mm2
Nokia 808 = 85,3 mm2
P30 Pro = 38mm2
XZ = 28mm2
S10 = 24mm2
LG G6 = 17mm2
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DjAlonDevil, 04 Nov 2019Waiting to see a who's gonna be the first to make a phone w... morePanasonic CM1 - released in 2014
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Anonymous, 04 Nov 2019Cellphones use poor quality lenses. Except LG, all other us... moreOnly lg uses good lenses? Grow up
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Nick Tagataka, 04 Nov 2019In order to use Leica/Zeiss brand names the phone manufactu... moreNokia originally maybe. But now our huawei supposedly having much better lenses than samsung? Stick to facts not what you wish.
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Shanti Dope, 04 Nov 2019I love higher resolution sensors, but what about utilizing ... more1/2.55" cannot handle ISO above 6400.
The 12800 ISO video of XZ2 Premium is because of Aube.
Sensor alone cant do it.
It is easier to push ISO for photos than videos. Also, even Full Frames start to suffer at 12800. The photos of XZ2P iso51200 are useless, not edition can save.
Without real time merging, you cant use both for video same time.
Exactly of happens to P30 Pro and Nokia 9 ...
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DjAlonDevil, 04 Nov 2019Waiting to see a who's gonna be the first to make a phone w... moreThis phone already exists the CM1 has a 1inch sensor
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DjAlonDevil, 04 Nov 2019Waiting to see a who's gonna be the first to make a phone w... moreThe 808 Pureview almost did 1" sensor with 1.4u pixel size. IMPRESSIVE!!!
Imagine it now doing pixel binning!
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Nick Tagataka, 04 Nov 2019In order to use Leica/Zeiss brand names the phone manufactu... morePlastic cannot.
Plastic will act as filter of the light.
Less colour info pass throught plastic compared to glass.
Otherwise , the professional cameras would use plastic. This would make lenses cheaper and lighter.
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Love the Community, 04 Nov 2019I'm sure the lenses are glass. Zack from JerryRigEverything... moreThe lenses are covered by glass.
Lenses quality has nothing to do with resistance to scratches.
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- 04 Nov 2019
I love higher resolution sensors, but what about utilizing multi-camera setups that we have today and go back to monochrome + RGB setup once again?
Let it be like this:
Main camera: 25MP 1/1.5" RGB (probably >2um pixel size), 27mm f/1.6 lens, OIS, Dual Pixel PDAF, memory-stacked sensor
ISO 51200 for photo, ISO 12800 for video
Monochrome camera: 12MP 1/2.55" B&W, 1.4um pixel size, 27mm f/1.4 lens, OIS, Dual Pixel PDAF
ISO 409600 for photo, ISO 102400 for video
Telephoto camera: 8MP 1/3", 1.25um pixel size, 81mm (3x optical zoom) f/2.2 lens, OIS, PDAF
ISO range of conventional 1/3" sensors
UltraWide camera: 12MP 1/3", 1.12um pixel size, 15mm (132° FoV) f/2.2 lens, PDAF
ISO range of conventional 1/3" sensors
(Optional) 3D ToF sensor: 5MP 1/3", 1.4um pixel size, 27mm f/1.2 lens, PDAF, depth measurement capabilities
And, voila! A perfectly executed Penta Camera setup with ALL sensors actually working together.
With the help of computational photography (Night Mode, Smart HDR/HDR+, Deep Fusion, Astrophotography, etc.), these sensors are going places far ahead of our imagination for smartphone cameras.
They could be so darn good that many mirrorless cameras could be in trouble for a serious competition from a completely different category of devices.
Oh well, ideas written like this usually end up being JUST a dream anyway.
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Nick Tagataka, 04 Nov 2019That's a glass lens COVER, not the lens itself which sits i... moreReally... I guess the real lens wasn't mentioned much.
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The new Pixel phone and the new iphone just proved that the most important thing is the software that processing the pictures. the pixels count is not that important