Nokia Carla screenshots leak, show new browser and keyboard
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AnonD-3575, 04 Apr 2012you have a vivid imagination.
like i said before, you can... more
your fighting on several fronts w/ blueglue, 2 fronts w/ me (symbian domination in asia and statcounter's credibility). i say i would back down on this and let you cover the front for blueglue. again i respect your opinion.
now for james hunt...as much as it hurts for me to say...i say it's my beloved droid's nemesis...which is APPLE
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Hope you all get benefits for this....
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AnonD-3575, 04 Apr 2012you have a vivid imagination.
like i said before, you can... more
in testing ones credibility like surveys...you need to have imagination to check the possible ways to discredit it...if your imagination ran out and it is still fullproof...that's the time you can say that...IT'S CREDIBLE.
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blueglue, 04 Apr 20121. Nokia still has money , but laying off people and cuttin... moreso which smartphne maker makes the most value for money phones? Apple, surely not.iphone 4s is $900 in india ! Whereas N8 sells for $450 . Lumia 800 - $500.
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Verbal_Criminal, 04 Apr 2012
since i work w/ a carrier, i can say that if that would b... moreyou have a vivid imagination.
like i said before, you can twist it any way around
and convince yourself of anything you like, i dont care.
everything you said is not specific to nokia
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Verbal_Criminal, 04 Apr 2012based on access to internet...you think?http://gs.statcounter.com/faq#methodology
you could have done this yourself
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AnonD-3575, 04 Apr 2012statistics you refer to measure produced units and sales ba... more
since i work w/ a carrier, i can say that if that would be the case on measuring the %, then what i can do is get a nokia phone, insert an optus simcard, access the internet, change the simcard to vodaphone, access that same internet again, then do it again w/ telstra.
if we IMEI trace is also included on the equation...then it would be a crazy survey if we will include handsets in the philippines. they can change the IMEI their in manila, maybe put a false hardware info on the handset's software. and revisit stat counter.
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AnonD-3575, 04 Apr 2012statistics you refer to measure produced units and sales ba... morebased on access to internet...you think?
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blueglue, 04 Apr 20121. Nokia still has money , but laying off people and cuttin... more1,2 yes i understand. they are moving to asia as well. a bit late, i agree. however when it comes to hardware, again people dont understand what makes a mobile. not just cpu and ram. e.g. nokia 701 is better than most of its android rivals in the same price range in terms of hardware. my n8 costs a lot, do you honestly think the camera with xenon flash, aluminium casing, fm transmitter, usb on the go, hdmi dont contribute to the end price? come on...
3 again my n8 doesnt have a removable battery. i would prefer it, but not because it freezes. if it did, you can hold the power button 8 seconds. you did know that?
4 like i said, some people like specs, some like premium looks and build. most androids looks similar and plasticky. i for one would pay more to have someting that looks and feels as a solid and well thought of product. to be honest, the price difference between 710 and 800 is too much, i agree. but it drops down on contract and with time. plus, how much does navigation cost on android? 50-60usd?
for the last thing you mention look at my previous post. sales numbers are not accurate
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Verbal_Criminal, 04 Apr 2012
If you cannot be detered, then i would just respect your ... morestatistics you refer to measure produced units and sales base upon info from manufacturers themselves, while statcounter measures actual phones used, based on internet sites visits, i think.
so a lot of iphones and android are being made and sold, but the number of them people actually use is much lower.
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AnonD-3575, 04 Apr 2012its very easy to answer your question and if you just thoug... more1. Nokia still has money , but laying off people and cutting costs. quite logical.
2. manufacturing in asia is way cheaper when compared to europe, US. is that a new thing? almost everyone knew it, thats the crux of outsourcing , isnt it? If nokia is late in realising the fact why should user bear the extra price? it obviously means they are selling the handsets to compensate the hefty cost they incurred.
3. This turns interesting,you say Great Design. Indeed, for the looks. What good is a merc if you cant open the doors in need and you call it a great feature of the masterminded design. Didnt quite get what i said? Apps, o/s sometimes are bound to freeze, the simplest way is to pull out the battery and restart. That simple, what should i do with Lumia 800? any secret locks to open it
4. Why does a Polycarbonate unibody made from REFURBISHED materials (most of the cases) cost so much?
5. Now Lumia 710 and 800 heavy price difference more than double, no h/w changes, again for the so called unibody, AMOLED, 8MP. How is this justified , just bcoz nokia believes it as superior design the buyer has to shell extra money?
**there are thousands of android phones all over the world, and almost all (if not all) come from asia. and youre saying there are no android phones on display in asian stores? what a joke...
When did i post any of such comment? have you mixed up with any other post?
lastly, the data in the link doesnt seem relvant, reason : It shows the andorid % is less than iOS for USA. which is FALSE. Original stats were posted few days back in GSM where android is steady at 48% and ios pulled up to 32%.
http://www.gsmarena.com/half_of_us_mobile_subscribers_own_a_smartphone_according_to_nielsen-news-4036.php
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AnonD-3575, 04 Apr 2012statcounter stats are more serious than that. that graph sh... more
If you cannot be detered, then i would just respect your opinion then. It's just that i believe more on on carrier statistics and corporate studies than on 3rd party companies that do surveys on some data, population, numbers. I'm here for a discussion, not for a fight. :)
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Anonymous, 04 Apr 2012"2 us market does not equal the world market. while io... morestatcounter stats are more serious than that. that graph shows mobile os, not java phones.
so no copies are shown there.
you (and others) can twist it anyway you like, nokia has the most smartphones and most phones overall in the world. simple as that.
that might or might not change in the future, but its the way it is now.
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Nokia - Connecting People !
Really !
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Anonymous, 04 Apr 2012"2 us market does not equal the world market. while io... more
thats me...forgot my name
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AnonD-3575, 04 Apr 2012its very easy to answer your question and if you just thoug... more"2 us market does not equal the world market. while ios and android reign supreme there, symbian rules other, much bigger markets (china, india, whole africa) and i dont think its a matter of availability. people there have choices and they choose nokia."
i don't believe the last part of your statement for no.2
I beg to differ. but symbian ONCE ruled china,india, africa. That is before China became a manufacturing giant in asia pacific. you can buy a copycat of iPhone4s for only a couple of dollars, and that handset does not use iOS. since the market will be asia, Most would rather buy a fake than the original in exchange w/ a dinnerbowl w/out any rice. we have thousands of nokia said phones which i belive you would think its really from nokia...but after you use it...you'll say... THE HECK! THIS IS A COPYCAT!.
no personal hatred to symbian...my first phone was symbian and i was happy using it before. but this i say... symbian is on much more steeper hill in asia than in the US and Europe where piracy is a serious crime.
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AnonD-3575, 04 Apr 2012its very easy to answer your question and if you just thoug... moreThere is actually android stuffs in the asian market. That stat might show only smartphone users. considering most of the population would need to starve a few days to buy a wellknown smartphone, they would prefer what we call in the region as CHINAPHONES that has copycat OS of android, ios, symbian and WP. and those so called china phones or if your not in the south pacific, cheap phones... contributes to almost 70% of the phone users(smart and dumb combine) the point i'm making is to contradict your post that outside the US and Europe...symbian holds a big market share.
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blueglue, 04 Apr 2012Were you expecting anyone else?
If i were you, i'd not b... more
i appreciate it blueglue. let them be... anonymouse i understand why the reaction. i can imagine if my name was used, i would be infuriated.
anyway... this is just an assumption since right now...i don't have access to third party websites (only GSMARENA)... Nokia might still want to hold on the affordable end niche that they created. since again...the rest of the world is not as rich as europe and united states.
now for as to where is nokia's money... errr.. am not quite sure. Might be on a general funding to revive symbian, could be put on a wp project.
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blueglue, 04 Apr 2012Back to topic of the article, i'd like to know if anyone ca... moreits very easy to answer your question and if you just thought about it, you wouldnt ask them
1 nokia still has a lot of money, shares are going up after wp7 and 808. im not saying they didnt loose a lot of it, but theyre far away from going bust
2 until recently, majority of nokia handsets were made in europe (finland, romania, hungary,...) where, if you didnt know, the average pay is much more than in china or korea. however, nokia laid off some workers from europe and started moving to asia as well, to cut down on costs (every other phone maker does that already).
you compare lumia 800 with omnia w? ok, compare 710 also, it cost less than omnia w. hows that?
lumia 800 is not a phone you buy just for the specs, its a design masterpiece and if you cant understand that, i suppose you dont understand why mercedes is more expensive... hardware specs arent everything, a lot of people here make the same mistake over and over.
symbian moving to accenture - now nokia said they will support symbian to 2016, accenture didnt. im not saying that they will support it after that, but noone can say they wont. there has been more updates and great ones as well from when symbian moved there than when it was with nokia. it just shows theyre determined.
as for the asian market, someone said its crowded with nokia phones? first of all, my link showed smartphone shares, please read more carefully.
http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-ww-monthly-201103-201203
there are thousands of android phones all over the world, and almost all (if not all) come from asia. and youre saying there are no android phones on display in asian stores? what a joke...
im just being real. to be honest i expected symbian to continue going down in market share. however the last year it went up a few points.
hey, if youre a hater and cant accept that, ok. but dont go around saying nonsense.
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blueglue, 04 Apr 2012Were you expecting anyone else?
If i were you, i'd not b... moremy comment actually came up after he apologized for some reasons... should i now add that it was gentlemanly of him to accept it on a public forum...
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