Samsung unveils 14nm FinFET technology for 144MP image sensors

16 December 2019
The researchers thing that going down to 14nm will be necessary for 144MP resolutions. Also, FinFET uses less energy than planar silicon.

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Anonymous, 18 Dec 2019Who else? Maybe the only person you were talking to that th... more"They" then... "The only person". haha. Nice.

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    • Anonymous
    • I8m
    • 18 Dec 2019

    DroidBoye, 18 Dec 2019They? To whom are you referring to? Be specific.Who else? Maybe the only person you were talking to that the subject matter even refered to in what I said???

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      • AnonD-731363
      • SH3
      • 18 Dec 2019

      This is interesting but costly right now.

        Anonymous, 17 Dec 2019They were never simply comparing the soc and sensor directl... moreThey? To whom are you referring to? Be specific.

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          • AviG
          • p$u
          • 17 Dec 2019

          They compare 14nm to 28nm and find a 42% difference, why on earth would this be relevant?

          Any progress is nice but this does feel like a minor one.

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            • Anonymous
            • I8m
            • 17 Dec 2019

            DroidBoye, 17 Dec 2019For comparison purposes, a sensor should not be compared to... moreThey were never simply comparing the soc and sensor directly like that.

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              • LEi
              • 17 Dec 2019

              and now everyone is a photographer and knows about socs and sensors hahaha

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                • Anonymous
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                • 17 Dec 2019

                Anonymous, 17 Dec 2019Bleeting * And yeah, being a Xiaomi and Anazfit user I s... moreSo in other words you don't understand anything relevant

                  Shanti Dope, 17 Dec 2019Both SoCs and camera sensors have transistors made in speci... moreFor comparison purposes, a sensor should not be compared to a System on a chip (SoC) just because they have the same fab process in terms of power consumption. You should know that's already false from the get go. They're not comparable.

                  An OLED screen would still eat more power than the image sensor during recording. You just brought-up an impractical reason of "recording in pitch black" just to justify your argument, why would you even do that? Recording a pitch black environment, WTH is that?

                  Power consumption of the in-sensor circuitry is very low. What does consume lots of power were the Screen and the SoC and those two's power consumption is way higher than the sensor they're not even close (during video recording).

                  To be clear:
                  What was being discussed is mainly the sensor, the screen and the SoC (as you've tackled before). So just don't say "camera" in general, just so we're in the same page here.

                  Again, Samsung has made an advancement here but I just hope that they would improve their AF and not just shrink the fab process and up the pixel density of the sensor.

                    DroidBoye, 17 Dec 2019Camera sensor power consumption is very small. Comparing it... moreBoth SoCs and camera sensors have transistors made in specific nodes like 28nm, 14nm, etc. What's different about that?

                    If camera sensor power consumption isn't really that high, then why do many smartphones today still overheat when recording beyond 10 minute of 4K videos? Some even limit it to 5 minutes, and that's a flagship already.
                    Display power consumption on video recording depends on the type of technology that screen is and the scene that the camera is capturing and displayed on the display.
                    If it's an OLED screen and the camera is shooting pitch black videos, then the power consumption could be lessened to about 90%.
                    It's sure to say that the display is the most power hungry aspect of the phone, but the camera is a close second to that.

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                      • Anonymous
                      • swp
                      • 17 Dec 2019

                      Anonymous, 17 Dec 2019While Sony improves quality of sensors samsung makes sure m... moreBleeting *

                      And yeah, being a Xiaomi and Anazfit user I side with those who joke in this regard. Xiaomi should of stuck with Sony for cameras like with Mi 8 abd Mi 9, those cameras are stunning performers, why the hell did they stick plastsung 108 in note 10 goes beyond logic as Xiaomi favors quality. I'd understand if they did that for redmi devices but Mi line is flagship. Here's a hope they will use Sony's sensors in Mi 10.

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                        • Anonymous
                        • swp
                        • 17 Dec 2019

                        While Sony improves quality of sensors samsung makes sure more mp can be captured lol.

                        You can take amazing photos even with 5mp camera if the sensor is right, point of proof is my first ever touchscreen phone ZTE Blade G, recently i booted it for the sake of remembering and was I surprised by the 5mp cam, but of course it's Sony sensor. My mi 8 has Sony 12+8 and 20 cameras and people often ask did I use a DSLR to capture those images, while all the photos I've seen from samsung phones look really fake. I am a graphic designer btw.

                        Samsung really knows its user base though - technologically illiterate. No wonder it manages to sell plastic toys 5-10 times the cost of production.

                        Next year they will announce 288mp sensor abd the bleeding will continue. This is why progress is so slow and we still don't have hovering cars even though tech is long here.

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                          • Fvc
                          • 17 Dec 2019

                          Looks like we will reach 200 MP mark by end of 2020!! :D

                            Shanti Dope, 17 Dec still does I believe. Sensors are still too power... moreCamera sensor power consumption is very small. Comparing it with a processor with the same fab size is already a wrong premise.

                            Compare it with cameras with even larger sensor.

                            I'm recording my everyday drive using my phone and I can attest to the fact that if the display would be allowed to turn off without disrupting the recording process, then there I could significantly lessen the heat and power consumption of my phone. In my usage only needed to frame once then record.

                            If you want proof for power consumption, record in 4k until it stops, check you power consumption and your screen would eat-up a lot of power.

                            If you want to compare, then compare your sensor with Lumix GH5, it has a much bigger sensor and higher bit rate and yet it has a small battery. With your logic, the full-frames would need atleast 10kmah battery for proper video recording (an exagerration ofc).

                            Samsung's new sensor is an improvement nevertheless.

                              DroidBoye, 17 Dec 2019The power saving for the sensor is negligible overall. In a... still does I believe.
                              Sensors are still too power hungry, especially at video recording for longer durations.
                              The old 28nm structure of these sensors means that they could generate as much heat as some older generation CPUs like the SD800.
                              Now that sensors are becoming larger and of higher resolution, they are now requiring more power input to work, and in turn, it means more heat generated.
                              It's exactly why full-frame cameras overheat quite easily even when just shooting casually.

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                                • AnonD-847158
                                • U{c
                                • 17 Dec 2019

                                New sensor: Exists
                                Xiaomi: I'll take your entire stock!

                                  Possible pixel merging resolutions:
                                  Quad-bayer: 36MP
                                  Nona-bayer: 16MP
                                  Dodeca-bayer: 12MP
                                  Octadeca-bayer: 8MP

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                                    • NeO.TroLL
                                    • PIh
                                    • 17 Dec 2019

                                    When Samsung trying to take the competition seriously .

                                      Rokka, 17 Dec 2019Basically, they're reducing the power needed when you're re... moreThe power saving for the sensor is negligible overall. In a smartphone, it's the display that eats-up all the battery. Providing smart-display-dimming feature during video recording is much preferable when talking about saving power. Still a great improvement for Samsung but I think they should prioritize on improving AF as much as Sony does with their binned sensors.

                                        Nice but Sony has the right roadmap moving forward. Improving the AF should be a priority with these binned sensors as that's their weakest point right now. IF the rumors for the IMX686's 2x2 OCL were true, then it's much more preferable than this ultra-high-res low-power sensor.

                                        Nice improvement nevertheless.