Google Pixel 5 renders show a design nearly identical to the 4a
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- Anonymous
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- 22 Aug 2020
So funny to watch that, if someone change their Pixel 4 for this one, it's in reality a downgrade and a big mistake. And worse if the price, when revealed, is similar... and blind fans applaud it. lol
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- wwstan
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- 22 Aug 2020
CompactPhones5ever, 21 Aug 2020YES! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! First we have compact iPhone SE... moreThis trend was started by Google, not Apple. That 400$ iPhone is Apple's response to Pixel 3a which sold like hotcakes the previous year...
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- 22 Aug 2020
I think this might be some mistake?
Previous leaker that made renders made the same one for pixel 4a 5G
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- iRajApple
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- 22 Aug 2020
" Notably, the Soli radar from the Pixel 4 seems to be is missing."
Its not missing GSM. Google has removed stupidity from their mobiles
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- Anonymous
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- 22 Aug 2020
With Google also joining the punch hole display league there is only Sony left on the market with no such BS design. I think there is no going back to 16:9. Content viewing experience is terrible with new aspect ratio & holes/notches for me. Call me an old school but i don't like today's display & FF camera design. Perhaps I'm okay with flip or pop up camera but that too will be expensive for repairs in case damage due to dropping.
Iphone se 2020 is the phone i like but again huge bezels & small battery made it not a viable option.
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- 22 Aug 2020
Anonymous, 22 Aug 2020Too expensive for so many corners it cut .You don't even know the price
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- Zimam
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- 22 Aug 2020
The simplicity of this design is what makes it the perfect smartphone, No extra useless cameras, a really nice compact form factor and the display looks amazing with minimal punch hole design. On top of that super clean Google software and amazing picture quality.
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- 22 Aug 2020
This is 4a 5G variant; not 5.
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- Anonymous
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- 22 Aug 2020
Too expensive for so many corners it cut .
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- AnonD-909757
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- 22 Aug 2020
Anonymous, 22 Aug 2020689 is BBk exclusive.
700 is huawei exclusive.
Early ... moreThanks for the info, I knew about the 689 but not about the 700, such a shame amazing sensors like that are kept for a single brand/group only each.
12Mp but for which camera ? The main one would be nice, but telephoto and wide angle would need more to get quality uniformity.
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- 22 Aug 2020
Berserker, 21 Aug 2020Great concept, but I think it is physically impossible cons... moreBecause 8mm is too thin, there is literally no benefit to make a phone slimmer than 10mm, it is even less pleasant to hold for many peoples, a good size would be 15mm, but this is really close to the maximum a user would like, just add few mm and it get from "it is confortable, thicker than the other, but not an issue" to "way too thick".
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- 22 Aug 2020
Fearghast, 21 Aug 2020That concept of yours would be truly awesome.
Two sensors ... moreThanks you, and this isn't really to cover (all possible needs) but rather to feed a vas amount of data to the AI, if you let aside the 90° flat optic system, it is basically a large lens front element that get shrunken to a compact but long periscope system allowing to get from really large ultrawide up to high magnification zoom (I would say, easily 40x over the standard setting) while also providing a really powerful control over the focus with infinite to really close, ideal for macro, and an amazing capability of really deep/long depth of field, almost allowing from infinite to really close active area of focus down to really narrow one.
Basically a single of those APS-C already get all possible use from ultrawide to telephoto, but the software will use the second one to gather tons of other data, often using a different focus setting to allow subject + background in focus for example, or zoom on subject face(s) to have higher details, and many more.
The other sensors are :
*two ToF sensors that work in stereoscopic 3D to allow for two different 3D mapping method, one is also used for IR color correction and the other for basic thermal imaging, both also serve as laser autofocus receptor (as the laser setup is particular).
*One UV sensor for additional details and color correction.
*Extremely short exposure sensor, gathering data to compensate for any fast moving object so the AI can un-blur it, can also be used for extreme slow motion as the sensor is optimized for that.
*A monochrome sensor, used for color correction and other data.
*For the sixth one I am not sure yet as I have many ideas, but a high sensitivity one for low light conditions would be useful I think.
This phone concept isn't based on typical Android photo app, the idea is, you take a picture and you get always the RAW data first, then, depending on your preferences, the image can be auto computed and corrected (as regular photo app do) outputting a standard picture format, or you can choose to keep the RAW and use the photo app that also work as a retouching app, making use of the data gathered from all the sensors and a powerful IA to do amazing things, like changing focus (despite not being a light field camera) and tons of smart effects, automatic and enhanced, really precise subject/object selection, and many other things not possible with typical photo app, including making your own preset of how the app should auto correct the image when directly taking a processed image.
The goal is that it is still as simple as aim and click for most user, but hobbyist and pro also get a really powerful tool that they can use anytime without regretting to not have their DSLR with them.
I also imagined a version where rather than two APS-C there would be a single Full Frame sensor and a simpler variant with a single APS-C.
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- Anonymous
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- 22 Aug 2020
Fearghast, 21 Aug 2020I have telephoto on my phone, but the quality is so subpar ... moreTele cameras are far more important than ultra wide angle cameras. Ultra wide angle cameras don't capture more than what your eyes see and suffer at least from perspective distortion, there can be also a lot of barrel/pincushion distortion. With an ultra wide angle camera you can not capture the details of a tele camera, but a tele camera can capture the field of view of an ultra wide angle camera, when you combine multiple photos. So a tele camera can replace an ultra wide angle camera, but an ultra wide angle camera can not replace a tele camera. Furthermore all smartphones already have a wide angle camera. Moreover some smartphones (Pixel 4 and Pixel 3) have ultra wide selfie cameras, which can be used as a rear camera.
Also, tele cameras usually capture much more light per time from distant objects than ultra wide angle cameras. Most people don't know that. The reason why some smartphone manufacturers switch to digital zoom in low light conditions is not the smaller sensor size and it isn't really the smaller f number either, sensor size plays no role when you take a photo of distant objects. Smartphone tele cameras usually capture at least the same amount of light per time from distant objects as the main camera, but the higher amount of light is distributed over more pixels per object, this decreases the image quality in low-light conditions due to the limited technology of most image sensors.
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- 22 Aug 2020
dbjungle, 21 Aug 2020It may be old school, but it's considerably faster and... moreThis isn't true, rear fingerprint scanner are typically capacitive while underdisplay one are typically optical (literally a camera).
BUT, the Samsung Galaxy S10, S20, Note10 and Note20 all use the same sensor which use ultrasound rather than a camera, Qualcomm made this sensor and it is called "3D Sonic" because, as it name imply, it can read the fingerprint in 3D.
Don't get fooled by the poor initial implementation Samsung did, this tech is incredibly complex :
*Capacitive are just touch sensors but specially accurate to measure individual contact points of the fingerprint, giving an augmented 2D data as you know what touch or not, making it quite hard to fool.
*Optical one are simple that, though they need a lot of light to be able to see through the display, hence why the display under the finger illuminate.
*Ultrasonic though, they aren't giving usable data, it need to be processed, it isn't a 2D map or view of the fingerprint but sound imaging data, if well implemented, you can do incredible stuff, including but not limited to :
*See the fingerprint in 3D with high accuracy.
*Scan the inside of the finger and check the composition (by density) is indeed flesh.
*Scan through objects, including screen protectors and gloves.
*See veins and use their pattern as an additional biometric data.
*See the blood flowing through the veins, both using it as heartbeat monitor and checking human canny heartbeat.
*Check the density of the fluid inside the veins to match blood.
*See deep enough (5mm) into the finger to scan the distal phalanx and use it as another human & biometric data.
*Scale it to whole display easily as opposed to optical version.
Also note that another advantage over optical one is the privacy advantage, as underdisplay fingerprint scanner can be used to spy on the user by taking pictures :
https://www.androidauthority.com/xiaomi-fingerprint-sensor-camera-1146605/
And another advantage would be continuous authentification, where the phone can check periodically that the user is indeed matching the registered fingerprints, and since ultrasonic FPS use a "tap" method rather than a "press" method, where you just need to tap the display, it would easily allow for such use, it could also allow for combined pattern and fingerprint.
Both continuous authentification and combined security without requiring the user to do anything in particular.
Once you understand that those ultrasonic FPS are way more complicated to gather data from, you understand why this isn't surprising how it had a far from perfect initial implementation, but with enough experiences, the hardware of those scanner allow for faster and way more reliable and secure authentification than optical and capacitive sensors.
This sensor suffered a flaw when using a cheap screen protector that was soft enough to literally make an impression of the user's fingerprint, it could be fooled, which is due to the extreme performances and lack of experience at that time, but not that it have been updated, those Samsung sensors are really performing well, and note that this is only the first model.
Qualcomm made a second gen, way better one, but Qualcomm refusing to Samsung the exclusive use of this sensor, they kept the previous one in both the S20 and Note20 despite the sensor being ready at that time, which was a huge disappointment.
The second gen is the "3D Sonic Max", that despite similar name, is a totally different beast from the "3D Sonic" and hold many advantages, including its size thanks to the excellent scalability possibility of those sensors.
Also, maybe, there is a chance that one or multiple of the iPhone 12 get this sensor.
So capacitive are better than optical FPS (which are typically underdisplay), but ultrasonic (which also are underdisplay) are superior to both in every points !
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- Anonymous
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- 22 Aug 2020
Fearghast, 21 Aug 2020I have telephoto on my phone, but the quality is so subpar ... more"It's simple physics"
Most people don't know that smartphone tele cameras usually don't capture less light per time from distant objects than the main camera. All smartphone periscope tele cameras capture more light per exposure time from distant objects than the best smartphone main cameras.
Sensor size is completely irrelevant, if you want to take a photo of distant objects. Some astrophotographers use a sensor that isn't larger than the sensor of an iPhone 6s and take photos of Saturn.
If a smartphone periscope camera had the same number of pixels per mm² as the main camera, it should give you slightly less noisy photos from distant objects than the best smartphone wide angle camera hardware, if the exposure time is the same. For example the periscope camera of the P40 Pro Plus captures more than three times as much light per exposure time from distant objects than the main camera of the P40 Pro Plus. Ultra wide angle cameras generally capture the smallest amount of light per time from distant objects.
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- Anonymous
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- 22 Aug 2020
No headphone jack, no sale
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- Dave
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- 22 Aug 2020
Actually, for all those 3.5 mm jack fans. Including myself: More room for the jack is less room for the battery. Think about this and consider buying a 3.5mm USB-C adapter. I've used it and it works great. It's not that annoying either. Yes, you can't charge your phone while you have the headphones on, but there are wireless headphones and also 3.5mm charge+audio adapters that I haven't bought but should work if shops sell them. So, it's much better that it doesn't have 3.5mm as you can see in the render, because it would have to have more battery ...Ouch! I didn't remember that Google is always stingy with the battery :D
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- Dave
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- 22 Aug 2020
Ok. Maybe Google may have recovered the head. Or maybe not. Maybe the queen of hearts has cut it off, or maybe he already found it. Finally a sign that everything's gonna be okay. It´s looks good. All need Pixel 5 is a telephoto, stereo speakers, an amoled FLAT FLATTTTT! screen, and a price that's not exaggerated, and I'll buy it blind. Totally blind.
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- Anonymous
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- 22 Aug 2020
trololo, 21 Aug 2020Apple has been doing chin-less phone(s) since 2017 ... come... moreApple makes sides thicker to give impression that chin is smaller.