Nokia XR20 is a rugged 5G phone with 4 years of updates
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- Anonymous
- vGG
- 31 Jul 2021
SShreyas, 31 Jul 2021You still don't get it. HMD not only relies on ODMs f... moreMan u tripping real bad now
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- SShreyas
- vGc
- 31 Jul 2021
atichko, 30 Jul 2021True for most of what you say but actually Apple relies ent... moreYou still don't get it.
HMD not only relies on ODMs for manufacturing, but also for designing the phones.
HMD simply approach a Chinese ODM, finalize a design, then place orders for manufacturing it. Most other brands spend a good time in designing their phones, unlike HMD.
That's why they are releasing same phone with different internals from past 2 years.
And it all depends on ODM, too. Not all ODMs will provide similar quality. And certainly, I haven't seen any other phone which can compete with HMDs cheapness.
You really think I went to one single service center to get my port changed thrice?
You know what's even more laughable?
HMDs service center was primarily an ASUS service center. The other was common service center for Honor and HMD.
Even Xiaomi has dedicated service center in my country, unlike this trash.
And if bad luck happens with you only, then it's really a bad luck. But if it happens with almost everyone out there, it's just a result of cheap manufacturing, that was the case with HMD.
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- IVE
- 31 Jul 2021
The chipset and LCD display are deal breaker for me. Even I can take ISP LCD in 2021, I opt for Xiaomi M10T series anytime. I don't understand who is your targeted customers as the specification seem so odd, blue collar worker ?? Extreme sport athletes?? I still have my Lumia 925 with me till today though.
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- SShreyas
- vGc
- 30 Jul 2021
atichko, 30 Jul 2021Well I very well do know what I'm speaking about but w... moreOh never mind. My Nokia 1100 was faster than Samsung, Apple, Nokia or any modern device. When are you planning to get one?
- atichko
- M{V
- 30 Jul 2021
SShreyas, 29 Jul 2021Most importantly, search what on earth is an ODM. Apple and... moreTrue for most of what you say but actually Apple relies entirely on ODM as it has no facility of their own to build their things. Samsung only relies on their own facilities for their high-end, top mid-range devices. The rest is also build by ODM.
If I should tell about the really shitty repair experience I had with Samsung and certainly with Apple and their crappy warranty policy (6 months guaranteed and 6 months you have to prove it's a warranty issue) this post would be a few pages but that didn't stop me to buy other new Samsungs and iPhones. Why, as said before, bad luck can happen and repair is entirely depending on the moment...who serves you, where...the human factor lets say.
- atichko
- M{V
- 30 Jul 2021
Anonymous, 29 Jul 2021It's a low end chip at best. Can't record 4K. Eve... moreYes, indeed it's an entry midrange chipset and I'm fine with it. It lacks calculating power in some areas but has advantages in other.
- atichko
- M{V
- 30 Jul 2021
SShreyas, 29 Jul 2021If you don't know what you're talking about, the ... moreWell I very well do know what I'm speaking about but what you benchmark suckers forget is the plain old subjective user experience meaning not blindly reading benchmark scores which are nothing more than figures and actually use the thing for a while. So I could say the very same to you. If you don't know what you're speaking about, be quiet and look further than figures. When I compare my X20 to my Redmi note 10 pro then the X20 is a lot smoother than the Redmi. Same goes for the pure subjective experience between my x20 and my S20 FE, the X20 is smoother and even has faster app startup for most app's. Field testing...field testing instead of number crunching only.
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- SShreyas
- vGc
- 29 Jul 2021
atichko, 29 Jul 2021Well, actually Samsung and Apple do have similar issues wit... moreMost importantly, search what on earth is an ODM. Apple and Samsung put in efforts in designing. And are incharge of the manufacturing.
Unlike HMD that is completely dependent on ODMs for designing, manufacturing their phones. That's why they are using and reusing the same design since 2019.
And if you bothered to look around you'll find that percentage of device failing in case of Apple, Samsung, etc. is same as percentage of devices of HMD in working condition.
Furthermore, Apple and Samsung don't provide faulty repair services on top of faulty handsets, unlike HMD.
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- SShreyas
- vGc
- 29 Jul 2021
atichko, 29 Jul 2021The 480 performs almost as well as the 720 and better than ... moreIf you don't know what you're talking about, the least you can do is remain silent.
Now, go to that AnTuTu page and omit the "graphics" section of both the SoCs and then let me know the results.
Also, image processing, video capabilities, etc. of 480 is nowhere near 3 y/o 660
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- Anonymous
- vGG
- 29 Jul 2021
atichko, 29 Jul 2021The 480 performs almost as well as the 720 and better than ... moreIt's a low end chip at best. Can't record 4K. Even 1080p is limited to 30 fps. Whereas those other chips can do at least 60 very likely. So yes, those antutu scores aren't everything. It maybe fast but it is not very capable and hence called 480. Nokia had put a very weak processor in this
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- M{V
- 29 Jul 2021
Faisal Rafiq, 28 Jul 2021Snapdragon 480!!! Nokia working so hard to become flop agai... moreThe 480 performs almost as well as the 720 and better than the 662/665 ones. It's a bit slower in raw performance but is faster in terms of read and write speeds from and to the memory meaning faster load times for app's and so on. Don't let the number fool you. This chipset will go sometime before it becomes obsolete.
Of course, if you're a power user, don't go for devices with this SOC. It's not aimed at such audience.
- atichko
- M{V
- 29 Jul 2021
SShreyas, 28 Jul 2021"It doesn't matter which brand you buy a phone fr... moreWell, actually Samsung and Apple do have similar issues with failing units if you bothered to look around, read different forums and keep an open mind. If Nokia is not a brand for you for whatever reason, just don't buy it anymore but I'm sure that you can have such unpleasant surprises with every brand, no matter how hard they shout at being the best. I have had my share amount of unpleasant surprises with various brands. By the way...Samsung, iPhones...you could call them Chinese knock off phones as well as the bigger part of mobile phones are build in China...
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- Stivi
- Sq%
- 29 Jul 2021
SShreyas, 29 Jul 2021Of course we are paying a premium for HMD. I personally op... moreThere is no point debating with you, you are negative towards HMD too much, but that is your right and I respect that. Don't drag 70% users of Nokia phones in to it, because that's BS. If you don't like some brand, leave it and move on. About competiton i meant providers, not brands - you said that there is only one provider for Nokia's, so, no competition ( lower prices).
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- Anonymous
- vGG
- 29 Jul 2021
SShreyas, 29 Jul 2021Of course we are paying a premium for HMD.
I personally op... more" It turned out to be my life's second mistake "
What was the first mistake ? We all are curious now so please share the fun. I mean, the mistake
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- AnonD-731363
- SH3
- 29 Jul 2021
SShreyas, 29 Jul 2021HMD sells in Europe primarily because of lack of competitio... moreMan but that is a problem with government and policies of your country i am unable to help here.
Only solution is to move to europe or so.
or run aown shop and be different from others in your country.
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- AnonD-731363
- SH3
- 29 Jul 2021
SShreyas, 29 Jul 2021Then there is something wrong with the website you're ... moreOr maybe the website you looked at gave false informations???
Both of us cant be right.
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- AnonD-731363
- SH3
- 29 Jul 2021
SShreyas, 29 Jul 2021Firstly, no offline store sell Nokia here in India. And tho... moreMan at first world is not just india but world. I mean other asian countries, south and north america, europe africa, australia and oceania etc. If in india only ebay sells Nokias its not my problem or failure but their i mean shops which havent more to pick from i mean brands.
So, yes, Amazon is the ONLY website selling HMD in India.
P.S: AliExpress doesn't ship to India and eBay costs way more because of insane custom duties
To last you said thats a governmental problem i am unable to fix so i am sorry.
Other countries in world or most of dont work like that.
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- AnonD-731363
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- 29 Jul 2021
Anonymous, 29 Jul 2021Yes exactly. Nokia quality is not bad at all like he is jus... moreWell thats true.
Even i usualy gives credit or another go a chance to a phone which failed me once i mean brand it make it.
Only exception in here is Ifruit where i never find a passion for this brand their OS and bad practicies towards the customers, manufacturers of the phone and all their parts.
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- SShreyas
- vGc
- 29 Jul 2021
Stivi, 29 Jul 2021In Europe is a lot of competiton, you can get here almost a... moreOf course we are paying a premium for HMD.
I personally opted for 6.1 Plus over Motorola's One Power (Android One) which was not only cheap but also had massive battery for that time. It turned out to be my life's second mistake (to invest in a phone from a newbie) in terms of technology.
You call that competition? Dude, people at HMD won't even dream of competing with Huawei, Samsung or Apple. They target entry level only (not even mid-range). Competition is here. Realme, Redmi, Poco, Micromax, Motorola, Samsung (India specific better "price:performance" phones), OPPO and vivo offer much better alternatives to HMD.
Standard? Just because people don't buy premium phones that much doesn't mean there is no standards. MIUI is same everywhere. Rather, Poco F3 was €100 cheaper in EU compared to Mi 11X. And this is the new trend in India (almost similar pricing to that of EU)
And I don't give a damn regarding scale of HMD. If they can't compete, they better leave India, rather than cutting costs on manufacturing and providing sh¡t in the name of phones. Because every brand has to face cut throat competition from Chinese OEMs here. That's how Indian market is.
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- Stivi
- Sq%
- 29 Jul 2021
SShreyas, 29 Jul 2021HMD sells in Europe primarily because of lack of competitio... moreIn Europe is a lot of competiton, you can get here almost any brand or phone you like. Most sold phones are still Samsung, Huawei ( drop sales almost 50% because of known problems with USA etc.), Apple ( the most overpriced phones ), Xiaomi also on te rise in my opinion, together they had 80% market share in 2020, but these phones have most aggressive advertising everywhere, but they need that, they have to sell a lot of units.
HMD on other hand is not a big company, they can not afford to sell cheap, but they are still not so expensive or overpriced, at least compering to Huawei, Samsung and Apple.
I think main problem is in your country, standard is not very high, and as you said, problems with providers, absolutly no competition. And I even suspect, that Nokia devices for India are made in cheaper factory, so more issues with devices is unfortunately expected. And HMD can not compete with big Chinese companies, where they can make cheaper phones.