Samsung launches Expert RAW camera app for Galaxy S21 Ultra

24 November 2021
It comes with 16-bit DNG RAW support with embedded HDR processing on all cameras.

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  • Anonymous

Anonymous, 05 Dec 2021Does this app tell you the camera resolution that was remov... moreWhat are you referring to exactly? Where in the camera or gallery app did they remove the feature that shows us the resolution of the a photo? Explain it to me like I am a noob please, I want to be aware of which features they have been taking away from us because it will likely determine whether I stick with Samsung or not.

16-bit DNG RAW sound insane. Has anyone really played with the photos, and tried really pushing the highlights and shadows?

  • Anonymous

Does this app tell you the camera resolution that was removed in the One UI 3 camera app? Oh yeah, they also removed the ability to change resolution for photos and videos as well for me on One UI 3. All it tells you now is the aspect ratio.

  • Anonymous

Alpha, 27 Nov 2021Open your eyes and go read comments everywhere, from Samsun... moreI've been here more than a decade

  • Alpha

Anonymous, 27 Nov 2021Yeah that's not what happened at all. But that's ... moreOpen your eyes and go read comments everywhere, from Samsung fans in Sony Xperia videos, specially the Pro-I..

  • Anonymous

Alpha, 27 Nov 2021Sony: Puts PhotoPro and CinemaPro last year on 1ii. Samsun... moreYeah that's not what happened at all. But that's all you see with your Sony goggles

  • Alpha

Sony: Puts PhotoPro and CinemaPro last year on 1ii.
Samsung Fans: What rubbish gimmick is this? Completely useless, nobody needs this you can use a normal camera. Phones are only for point and shoot!

Samsung one year later: Introduces RAW cam app
Samsung Fans: Bravo! What an amazing innovation!

SuuperBaka, 27 Nov 2021From the articles I've seen on Pixel Binning, I see th... moreIt completely depends on the software settings. Most manufacturers only let you shoot in binned resolution if you're capturing the images in RAW. Huawei, on the other hand, only lets you shoot in full resolution for RAW, and through the stock camera app only. A few Xiaomi phones (Mi 10 Ultra) allow 3rd party apps to capture RAW through Camera2API in both binned and non-binned resolutions, but I believe you need to modify the system settings through Magisk to achieve it.

Nick Tegrataker, 27 Nov 2021IIRC, a QB/Nonacell sensor should have a separate circuit t... moreFrom the articles I've seen on Pixel Binning, I see that you can't shoot RAW if you want it binned. If you shoot RAW it would be the full resolution you don't get the advantage of binning.

SuuperBaka, 26 Nov 2021I assumed so, so you can't really get a RAW 108MP imag... moreIIRC, a QB/Nonacell sensor should have a separate circuit that allows the full resolution read-out.

Nick Tegrataker, 25 Nov 2021Binning on QB sensors is done at the sensor level, right wh... moreI assumed so, so you can't really get a RAW 108MP image since that's perma binned on the hardware level, or am I making a mistake?

  • Anonymous

Dometalican, 25 Nov 2021Why do you care about the marketing? That's literally ... moreI care cause it's just one more area they cut corners and money yet still charge more.

Brightness is usable most of the time but can fall short under extend days. And again it matches the brightness of 7-8 year old flagships. Legitely.

Audio is ok for that but again matches volume and quality of 2 year old phones. Dobly is nothing unique at this point and doesn't change that.

No aspect ratio is black bar free for all content. Sony is no exception.

Market and carrier availability is always an issue for Sony. Nothing new at all. And again one of the reasons they have poor sales and people don't know they exist.
What i said was complete and utter fact. They don't release the phone, they cut to many corners to save money, they are years behind in numerous aspects for it, and charge to much for it.
Plain and simple.

Anonymous, 25 Nov 2021Well unfortunately back here in reality you just made up a ... moreWhy do you care about the marketing? That's literally what lead to the downfall of OnePlus's uniqueness and 'flagship killer' status.

Brightness is fine bro. I can see the phone under the Florida sunlight. Can it be better? Yes. Is it UNUSABLE? No.

Audio is perfectly fine thanks to Dolby Atmos.

Aspect ratio gives me full screen unlike constant black bars from the others.

Availability, yeah, sucks, but I'm glad I got my hands on one. Blame the chipset shortage as well as the curious conflict of interest with Samsung making the 888 and upcoming Gen 1.

  • Anonymous

Dometalican, 24 Nov 2021Well let's see: 1. Less bloatware 2. Better option... moreWell unfortunately back here in reality you just made up a bunch of fan stuff.

"1. Less bloatware"
Actually the lack of boat is because of lack of regional and carrier availability. Which is a huge disadvantage for consumers.
And why most people don't even know sony phones exist and why their sales suck. Even more so then ask the areas they lack and are behind.

"2. Better options on caring for the battery (Samsung's One UI 4 finally copied Sony on this)"
Yeah samsung was a little late on the software options. But their battery technology and health are still top notch. And sonys has always been exaggerated.

"3. MicroSD card slot"
One of two only legit points.

"4. Headphone jack"
Two out of two only legit points.

"5. Front-facing stereo speakers"
What good does that do you of they can only match the volume and quality of two year old flagships?

"6. Aspect ratio that makes more sense for movies and gaming"
They are all narrow and make some sort of claim. Sonys is barely any different and nothing superior.
And what good does it do you when the brightness is matching that of 7-8 year old flagships????

"7. Natural photos vs overly processed colors of anti-reality"
Their processing is only natural on colors. Their processing is still high it's just more lazily done. Their processing has been behind the last decade. It has not been among the better since Ericson. It's not simple natural. It's just lazy and still processed. Only natural thing was colors.

"Not going to say the Xperia is perfect, but much better for my needs than the Galaxy."
Cause it's no where near perfect. And while I despise taking away headphone jacks and SD slot I'm also not paying more for a phone that's behind in display, battery, camera, speakers, marketing, and availability. Just cutting corners at every single corner. Yet charge way more while their spent way less.

As much as I like Sony and xperia I couldn't even justify $800 for these phones. $600 would be hard to swallow.
Why would I finance an upgrade after paying off my 2 year old $1100 device.... for a phone that would only be better in one or two ways but then only match or fall behind in every single other way???? Even at a reduced price of $800 that's stupid. Let alone $1300-$2500! For downgrades!

Which is a joke anyway because they are not even available through 90% of people's carriers anyway... which is again why their sales suck and people don't know they exist.

  • Anonymous

It would be nice, if the S21 Ultra/S21 could capture 108/64 megapixel raw files (as far as I know this isn't possible?).
The S21 is the only phone with a high resolution Bayer sensor. There are only a few phones with a higher Bayer array resolution than 12 megapixels, so if one needs raw files with more than 12 megapixels, there seems to be nearly no alternative over a large camera. A few years ago, there was the Xiaomi Mi Note 10, which offered 27 megapixel raw files as far as I know.

  • CivilizedEntity

Nick Tegrataker, 25 Nov 2021Thanks! I looked through the images and unfortunately, you ... moreI agree. I admit, the idea of stacking RAWs is interesting but the results not so much. It would be much better if they'd just let us use a toggle to choose between normal RAW and the stacked one and everyone could choose from that. Of course, I'm happy they even chose to enable RAW support for all cameras. To some extent, they paid attention to the users requests but I wish they would ignore the competition for a while and just give us the real deal.

CivilizedEntity, 25 Nov 2021Sure thing. I uploaded a few on wetransfer here: https://we... moreThanks! I looked through the images and unfortunately, you were 100% right, all of them seem to have a very strong painted look regardless of the lighting condition. Highlights are easily recoverable which is nice, but some of the high ISO indoor shots have ridiculously noisy shadows that turn into a blotchy mess as I lift them up, looking almost as if the files have gone through some lossy compression. Google and Vivo also have their own stacked HDR RAW solutions, but neither of them are even close to being this mediocre.

To conclude: currently, Samsung's HDR RAW is very similar to Apple's ProRaw (which I'm already not a fan of), but worse - noisier in shadows and details are even more smoothened out during the day. I'm hoping that Samsung will iron out these issues before this feature gets out of beta, because right now it's pretty embarrassing for them.

  • johnnybegood

Dometalican, 24 Nov 2021Well let's see: 1. Less bloatware 2. Better option... morewell agree on some points but others what you call bloatware i call them features...also dont forget Samsung has longer sofware support than Sony Xperia's 3 years vs 2 years and lower prices or better deals.
Screen aspect ratio for movies is a endless debate..
Battery management i think is still a bit better on Sony.

Camera hardware and software is also much better on Samsung with their own gallery app.

  • CivilizedEntity

Nick Tegrataker, 25 Nov 2021Yep, I can definitely see some trace of noise reduction. Re... moreSure thing. I uploaded a few on wetransfer here: https://we.tl/t-28xVW3gFWA

Currently we have sunlight here and I couldn't find any outdoor low light situations.

  • Borbotik

CivilizedEntity, 25 Nov 2021Yes, I did test it myself. I've linked the test photos... moreYour link won't open