Motorola to pioneer Samsung's 200MP camera sensor, Xiaomi will be next

24 November 2021
Samsung won't be putting its 200MP sensor in one of its smartphones any time soon.

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AnonF-10133677, 25 Nov 2021Current technology has hit a brick wall with CMOS sensor ... moreFar from it. Improving sensor noise, tweaks to the CFA, and further improving Computational Photography Algorithms, should make photos and videos get even better.

    I'd love to see a native RGB array version of this 200MP sensor with Nokia's PureView algorithm as in their flagship Symbian and Windows Phone smartphones. That can easily kill all the competition in one easy stroke.

      With Vivo or Sony brand and decent new tele, I would buy. Wish it makes a way to mid range from xiaomi though, could be interesting next flagship killer if paired with good other fov.

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        Simonlind, 26 Nov 2021IceUniverse according to the tweet listed as the source. Since when is a tweet considered as the truth? hahaha

          Ivo., 25 Nov 2021"Samsung, on the other hand, will wait until 2023 befo... moreIceUniverse according to the tweet listed as the source.

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            • 25 Nov 2021

            Nick Tegrataker, 25 Nov 2021Dear, for the 10^64th time; Sharpening cannot magically ... moreI always read your posts and wait for too read them.
            I've learned gained lot off knowledge from you.

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              • 25 Nov 2021

              Nick Tegrataker, 25 Nov 2021Plastic lenses are cheaper to produce in a smaller form fac... moreYou an expert in camera and CPU department as well as software side?

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                • 25 Nov 2021

                "Samsung, on the other hand, will wait until 2023 before releasing a 200MP handset" - says who?

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                  • 25 Nov 2021

                  Just marketing Rumors .

                    Anonymous, 24 Nov 2021"No low quality plastic lens used by phones can resolv... moreanonymous (gbv) guy has much better knowledge about photography than anonymous (Lkb) who is nothing but a Chinese hater along with being a hater of Samsung display & camera sensors.

                      Anonymous, 25 Nov 2021Dear, for the 1000000th time. Cellphones do not have th... moreSo that means you are copy pasting comments from other photography websites??
                      I bet you don't have any experience operating on either... A high end camera smartphone or a professional camera.

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                        • 25 Nov 2021

                        Didn't they say it was this year?l, and had 16k video mode?

                        Well they need up to 2288mb/s to do a half descent job of 16k in h264, up to approx 572 in h266. In h267, which Samsung might be waiting for 286mb/s might be ok. 14 everything for h267. But these codecs are complex circuits. ProRes LT Braw, are a lot simpler, particularly cineform, captured by xiacom I think. They need external recording to add through USB C socket. A better simpler codec would aim at be 1/4 that.

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                          • 25 Nov 2021

                          Good! Samsung doesn’t need it in their terrible phones. Motorola is a great choice. Hopefully they’ll put it in the RAZR phone.

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                            Mik3P3, 25 Nov 2021200 Mpix sensor suggests 5x5 Bayer sensor layout with intri... moreIt's 4x4 quad Bayer. 200/16=12.5 MP

                              200 Mpix sensor suggests 5x5 Bayer sensor layout with intrinsic 5x lower noise and 200/25=8 mPix image file size. Could be not only super quality but also would not need much of image processing -- think 8k vids at high rates

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                                TheLastOracle, 25 Nov 2021How much plastic or glass lenses resolve is a mystery even ... moreCurrent technology has hit a brick wall with CMOS sensor


                                Wait for another 10 years before Quantum Dot sensor debuts

                                  How much plastic or glass lenses resolve is a mystery even the best optical scientists can't really answer. Plastic, will obviously resolve less though the only question is how much less.

                                  Higher resolution sensors need better CFAs, sharper lenses and more complex algorithms to ensure that the higher resolutions is not wasted in detail loss.

                                  More importantly, sensor makers need to make more sensors like the Samsung 50MP Sensors, made specifically with features for upressing photo, by 2x or 4x, better than regular upressing algorithm software.

                                    Anonymous, 25 Nov 2021Dear, for the 1000000th time. Cellphones do not have th... moreDear, for the 10^64th time;

                                    Sharpening cannot magically create details out of nowhere. If you're seeing any resolved patterns, then they are the information captured by the camera itself, and not something that have suddenly appeared after the post-processing stage.

                                    https://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=4&idCamera1=300302&idCamera2=300744&idCamera3=300781
                                    https://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=1&idCamera1=300302&idCamera2=300744&idCamera3=300781

                                    Mind explaining to me how sharpening somehow enabled S21+ and Mate X2 to resolve texts, hairs of the brushes, wooden textures on the pencils and line patterns better than 5D Mk. III did? Heck, do you even understand what sharpening does to an image? For goodness sake..

                                      Anonymous, 24 Nov 2021Have never read so much crap. - plastic lenses are crap... morePlastic lenses are cheaper to produce in a smaller form factor and allow for more complex surface designs, which is crucial for smartphone cameras where light needs to be bent in a precise manner in much shorter distances. They are less durable (hence need to be thicker than glass ones when the diameter is large, which in turn makes them bulkier) and also slightly less transparent in theory, but plastic is still used for some aspherical elements in IRCs. For instance, in Nikon's Hybrid Aspherical Lenses or PAG Hybrid Lenses, plastic is molded onto a spherical glass lens to form an aspherical lens.

                                      Whether the lens is made of plastic or glass does not determine the resolving power of the lens. If it's designed well then it may be capable of resolving >50MP resolution, especially towards the center.

                                      Why do you think Mi 11 is showing moire/false patterns in GSMArena's balcony shot? Because the lens resolution is higher than the sensor resolution, which is 27MP. Why is it that Huawei's recent flagships can achieve almost lossless 2x digital zoom? Why does S21's 64MP camera absolutely demolish Canon 5D Mk. III in the "good light" studio comparison? Maybe, just maybe, because plastic lenses *don't* suck? For once, could you just look into the actual image samples before saying something, please?

                                        Will this continue until 1GP? 200MP is pretty crazy on the phone.

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