Motorola to pioneer Samsung's 200MP camera sensor, Xiaomi will be next
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- AnonD-762416
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- 25 Nov 2021
Anonymous, 25 Nov 2021Person says phones lenses are on pair with 📷 lenses, you as... moreNo, he is saying that the quality isn't particularly worse than a glass lens. Which I'd agree with. The gain is a much more durable camera in a device you're going to throw around. You don't handle a camera like you handle your phone.
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- Anonymous
- Lj$
- 25 Nov 2021
AnonD-762416, 25 Nov 2021What the eff are you on about? Are you comparing a phone wi... morePerson says phones lenses are on pair with 📷 lenses, you ask what's wrong with me?
LOL !!!!
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- Anonymous
- Lj$
- 25 Nov 2021
Anonymous, 25 Nov 2021Wrong. Plastic lenses are not bad at all, they are often ex... moreDear, for the 1000000th time.
Cellphones do not have that much amount of detail.
It is SHARPENING to make you believe it is real details.
This is why they all look crap when viewed on high quality monitor (much better screen than tv).
Many glass lenses cant resolve 50MP, but you still think plastic one can. Plastic is not as translucid as glass. There is loss of light ...
Go repeat it on comment session of any photography website and people will laugh at your face for weeks.
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- Santan
- sEB
- 25 Nov 2021
remove all camera expect main camera ( 50MP ois, DUAL PIXEL AUTO FOKUS) and add aps-c Sensor on middle rear body phone, with attachable lens
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- AnonD-762416
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- 25 Nov 2021
Anonymous, 24 Nov 2021Have never read so much crap. - plastic lenses are crap... moreWhat the eff are you on about? Are you comparing a phone with a professional studio camera? What's wrong with you? What is the battery life of a broadcast camera? 0 seconds? What good will that lens do you then?
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- Anonymous
- nYE
- 25 Nov 2021
*companies* 200mpx on phones!
*me* mwah...
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- unxpctd
- kkr
- 25 Nov 2021
Also wish somebody else besides LG would pixel bin to 16 megapixels.
12 has been around for too long.
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- unxpctd
- kkr
- 25 Nov 2021
I'm quite excited to see this sensor, wether it is good or bad. Motorola is smart to jump on it before anyone else. They need whatever they can get to bring back market share. I would much like to see dedicated color sensors become all the rage though instead of resolution. Lets just put faulty white balance behind us once and for all.
We should first expel the pixel binning misconception though.. there are always going to be gaps between pixels, therefore you aren't getting the true size of a larger pixel by combining them. More pixels = more gaps = more light lost by falling in these gaps.
Ultimately this sensor is much like high resolution audio - the huge number is not for human consumption, it's for an internal DSP/ISP thing that benefits from extra data points.
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- Anonymous
- gBV
- 25 Nov 2021
Anonymous, 24 Nov 2021Have never read so much crap. - plastic lenses are crap... moreWrong. Plastic lenses are not bad at all, they are often excellent (as can be seen in the 64 megapixel sample image) and might even have optical advantages as they possibly can have shapes that are too difficult for glass lenses. There are many glass lenses that have worse image quality. Glass lenses for DSLRs are expensive because it is more expensive to produce them. But this doesn't necessarily mean that they perform better. The higher distance to the sensor could possibly have disadvantages. DSLR lenses struggle more from chromatic aberration than smartphone lenses. Kit zoom lenses for interchangeable lens cameras suffer much more from distortion than smartphone lenses and also can have softer edges or far more field curvature. Smartphones usually use prime lenses, which can perform better than zoom lenses.
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- 24 Nov 2021
Anonymous, 24 Nov 2021Have never read so much crap. - plastic lenses are crap... morethe problem is that the lenses are so small they have to be plastic. Have you even actually hold alens in your finger tips.
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- Anonymous
- Lj$
- 24 Nov 2021
AnonF-1013367, 24 Nov 2021GN2 is 1/1.12” while the 200mp one is 1/1.22, the GN2 still... moreThis is the isocell that have 16 neighbors pixel sharing same colour filter.
With the possibility to choose between 16 to 1 or 4 to 1.
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- Anonymous
- Lj$
- 24 Nov 2021
Anonymous, 24 Nov 2021"No low quality plastic lens used by phones can resolv... moreHave never read so much crap.
- plastic lenses are crap. 📷🎥 dont use plastic lens, 👓🕶 dont use plastic lens, 🔬🔭 dont use plastic lens.
- not even old glass lenses can deal with high resolution, this is why lens makers bring new generations of same lenses, so they can handle 50, 70, 100MP and higher frame rate.
Do you know what sharpening is? If you check raw files of same phones you claim to be able to resolve high resolution , you can see texture is inferior.
There are software for computer for people to apply sharpening. Doing this you can make a crap 2MP photo looks like a 40MP. This is not real details.
Sharpening makes a 720p looks like 4K video.
Module of wide camera (sensor + lenses + OIS) from expensive phones do not cost $50. Most of price is the sensor. Seriously you compare this to those real lenses that sometimes cost $12.000?
LOL .....
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- Anonymous
- gBV
- 24 Nov 2021
Anonymous, 24 Nov 2021I would love to see if someone tried to make regular bayer ... more"and then combine 4 bayer pixels (2green, 1red,1blue) into 1 full colored pixel"
I don't think that this makes sense. Yes, I also prefer high resolution Bayer sensors, for example the periscope camera of the Pixel 6 Pro should have 30 megapixels instead of 12.
But it doesn't make much sense to downsample because downsampling leads to a loss in detail. A high resolution sensor leads to more read noise. That's a disadvantage, it doesn't make much sense to increase the amount of read noise, if you don't want noticeably more details and don't fully leverage the advantage of the higher resolution.
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- 24 Nov 2021
The sensor is so good, not even samsung dare's to use it...
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- Anonymous
- gBV
- 24 Nov 2021
AnonF-1013367, 24 Nov 2021GN2 is 1/1.12” while the 200mp one is 1/1.22, the GN2 still... moreThere is no downscaling in the 12 megapixel mode. This is analog binning = charge binning and happens on a hardware level.
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- Anonymous
- gBV
- 24 Nov 2021
Anonymous, 24 Nov 2021"No low quality plastic lens used by phones can resolv... moreOr here's a 64 megapixel Bayer sample image from the Galaxy S21. Even at the edges, the lens is sharp enough for this sensor.
fdn.gsmarena.com/imgroot/reviews/21/samsung-galaxy-s21/daylight/gsmarena_1604.jpg
It's a myth that smartphone lenses can not resolve 64 megapixels.
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- AnonF-1013367
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- 24 Nov 2021
GN2 is 1/1.12” while the 200mp one is 1/1.22, the GN2 still bigger. The 200mp will need a lot of power to scale it down to 12mp and the phone will probably hear up during 4k video recording.
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- Anonymous
- gBV
- 24 Nov 2021
Anonymous, 24 Nov 2021Tons of Pros say 50MP is not even necessary for Full Frame.... more"No low quality plastic lens used by phones can resolve this resolution."
Yes, but smartphones use high quality plastic lenses, so they are able to leverage 50 megapixels and can deliver sharper results than expensive DSLR lenses. Nearly all smartphone cameras outresolve 12 megapixels in good light conditions in the center of the frame without any issues. The Galaxy S20 leverages the 64 megapixel Bayer sensor, that's why it's digital zoom competes with the 2x camera of the Note 10. This wouldn't be possible, if the lens was only good enough for 20 megapixel sensors.
Huawei Honor View 20, 12 megapixel Bayer mode: fdn.gsmarena.com/imgroot/reviews/19/huawei-honor-view-20-handson/camera/gsmarena_009.jpg
Huawei Honor View 20, 48 megapixel Quad Bayer mode:
fdn.gsmarena.com/imgroot/reviews/19/huawei-honor-view-20-handson/camera/gsmarena_014.jpg
The View 20 captures far more details in its 48 megapixel mode, even at the edges and even though Quad Bayer sensors don't capture as much detail as Bayer sensors.
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- Anonymous
- 3yL
- 24 Nov 2021
I would love to see if someone tried to make regular bayer sensor and then combine 4 bayer pixels (2green, 1red,1blue) into 1 full colored pixel. 200 mp camera could give 50 mp full color , which could shoot in 10K (10240* 4320 => 44mp-required).
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- Anonymous
- ScY
- 24 Nov 2021
IpsDisplay, 24 Nov 2021We don't know what is more than enough because technol... moreThese days companies are putting dozens or hundreds of MP onto devices only to combine them back to a small number. This process is really stupid.
Would love to see a 1/1.2 19MP sensor in 16/9 aspect ratio with good stabilization and quality lens.
How come nobody thought of this when it's so simple?