Oppo's new MariSilicon X NPU will take the Find X series image quality to the next level
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- Anonymous
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- 01 Jan 2023
ABF Media, 15 Dec 2021Compare phone to professional cameras used for printing lar... moreCalling him an oldie doesn't validate your point gook. maybe try reading his point which is that smartphone cameras aren't on the same level as professional cameras like some on this website like to believe.
go and compare them to each other by printing pictures and you will see how close the quality is to a camera
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- 21 Feb 2022
Anonymous, 21 Feb 2022They say always stuff like that, Hi-tech, brand new, ultra ... moreBased on the teasers, Oppo’s in-house MariSilicone X NPU chip will remain exclusive to the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 powered Find X5 Pro.
https://www.gsmarena.com/oppo_find_x5_pro_to_come_in_dimensity_9000_version_-news-53214.php
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- 21 Feb 2022
They say always stuff like that, Hi-tech, brand new, ultra strong blah blah blah
When you get device you see no difference.
Just on paper...
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- 04 Feb 2022
Anonymous, 15 Dec 2021Now everyone's copying how Apple is doing in-house tec... morethe grid stuff has been going on for a while now
say what you want about Apple but for some reason they are the ultimate trendsetter (Samsung being a distant penultimate)
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- travis999
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- 04 Feb 2022
Total waste of silicon and effort, its a poxy phone camera, trying to gather sensible amounts of light data through a stupid little 5mm lens, I don't care if the bloody thing can shoot 300mp pics, it's still a stupid tiny lens with tiny little light gathering capability.
As I keep telling folk, you want half decent "real" photos and not some over processed version of reality, from phone cameras, I suggest you all start nagging makers for bigger lenses, but then you'll complain the phones don't look pretty or weigh more than 50gms or too big or too ? or too ? or too ?.
Whereas, sensible folk who want sensible pics carry a decent camera, their dead cheap, my little leica cost pennies from ebay, it might be ten years old, but it can out shoot ANY phone camera, has 50x OPTICAL ZOOM, and can do anything any phone cam can + lots that no phone cam can.
It's half the size of my phone, fits in tiny pockets, can use AA batteries etc etc.
Phone cameras are usless.
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- Anonymous
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- 19 Dec 2021
BlytheMasters, 16 Dec 2021Nah, unfortunately, that is not quite true.
You shoot in... moreA higher bit depth is all about DR. 10 or even 12 bit image cannot contain all the information acquired from 3-5 different exposure levels. Upon compression most of the data will be wasted but it doesn't really matter, what is important is how freely you can manipulate the image using the information available before that compression takes place. This is why most of expensive dedicated cameras can output raw files in 14 bit, with an option to shoot in the compressed 12 or 10 bit format too. My guess is this RGBW HDR raw will have DR that can be only truly represented in 14 bit or higher color depth, assuming that it combines more than 3 exposures.
This chip can handle 20 bit raw files, but in actuality that indicates it can handle lower bit depth image much faster and more efficiently thanks to extra bandwidth in the processing pipeline. Smartphone photography is all about how quickly you can run complex algorithms before and after the shutter is pressed, not to waste excessive energy and keep users waiting for the processing to finish.
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- 16 Dec 2021
Nick Tegrataker, 16 Dec 2021It kinda does make a difference because heavy colour gradin... moreNah, unfortunately, that is not quite true.
You shoot in high bit rates (let's say those whooping 20bit from this Maricon NPU) it gets stored in a RAW and after that exported to a JPEG. You will loose all color depths and end up with a final image that is not only have "heavy colour grading and aggressive exposure/tone mapping" as you mentioned but also heavy posterisation! Just look at your current JPEG photos!
So unless there is no other format that not only can support such high bit rates (HEIF/HEIC goes at least to 12bit) but also establish itself as a global standard (no HEIF/HEIC is not a global standard or widely used), such crazy NPU or Sensors in general are useless!
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- 16 Dec 2021
BlytheMasters, 15 Dec 2021And at the end of the process everything gets saved in a JP... moreIt kinda does make a difference because heavy colour grading and aggressive exposure/tone mapping adjustment in post are what most phones do nowadays. Higher bit depth RAW definitely helps given that there's low noise and enough information to work with inside the image.
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- 15 Dec 2021
Crackdown, 15 Dec 2021Sensor's native bit depth matters less when you start ... moreAnd at the end of the process everything gets saved in a JPEG file that anyways caps the bit-rate at 8bit ... lol
But yeah, theoretically you could use the RAW-File of the phone (which actually nobody does since phone primary use cases for photography is point-and-shot... without much post-processing).
so there you go with your high bit-rates..... it goes all down the drain.
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- Anonymous
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- 15 Dec 2021
Now everyone's copying how Apple is doing in-house tech instead of just getting run-off-the-mill stuff.
Even the grid layout graphics for the tech features has been ripped off.
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- ABF Media
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- 15 Dec 2021
Anonymous, 14 Dec 2021This applies to all phones.
But people do not seem to g... moreCompare phone to professional cameras used for printing large images... Good job putting down smartphone cameras everywhere oldie....
Tell me oldie?? Who is going to use smartphone camera for professional purposes??
That's like saying a consumer grade processor inside a desktop not being able to match the professional grade processor specifically designed for professionals.
Most people aren't going to print large images through their smartphones or otherwise.
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- 15 Dec 2021
Crackdown, 15 Dec 2021Sensor's native bit depth matters less when you start ... moreAnother thing worth pointing out is that nobody has confirmed Find X5 will reuse IMX766 from Find X3. We are only half certain that a 50MP sensor will be used on X5, let alone the same sensor as the predecessor.
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Anonymous, 15 Dec 2021Find X5 (not gonna be named X4) shall reuse imx766. It is... moreSensor's native bit depth matters less when you start merging multiple exposures. Pixel 6 has a 10 bit sensor for all of its 3 cameras but all HDR+ raw files are 14 bit to represent the wider range of values captured through 9 to 15 frame stacking.
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- 15 Dec 2021
Nick Tegrataker, 14 Dec 2021That's what I had been thinking until recently, but th... moreFind X5 (not gonna be named X4) shall reuse imx766.
It is 12-bit.
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- 14 Dec 2021
Anonymous, 14 Dec 2021To take advantage of 20-bit ISP, sensors need to be 20-bit ... moreThat's what I had been thinking until recently, but then I came to know that bracketed RAW images might require higher bit depth to fully take advantage of the extended dynamic range. 20-bit is definitely overkill, though.
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- 14 Dec 2021
AnonF-1042069, 14 Dec 2021He is just trolling, are you so obsorbed not to see that???Let me say you this: It's not about to troll or not to troll or even to know who is trolling...
It is about the absolute complete ownage of a gsmarena-news post through the comment section and I did that particular well!
This does not only boost my ego but also my unbelievable beautiful physical appearance!
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- Anonymous
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- 14 Dec 2021
IpsDisplay, 14 Dec 2021Can you explain to me why you made up a point about not nee... moreIf you see message of "forbidden ", click on address and press enter again and again.
It will work and show photo.
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- Anonymous
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- 14 Dec 2021
IpsDisplay, 14 Dec 2021Can you explain to me why you made up a point about not nee... moreThis ... Courtesy of sony semicon (and samsung is gonna flood market with wrgb cmos in 2022).
https://wx2.sinaimg.cn/orj360/9083f7cbgy1g2vcgp25esj20zk0k0wen.jpg
Signal from the "colourful" and "monochrome" portions are read as 2 photos. Then stacked.
Easier, cheaper and probably without the limitations of the binocular system (no macro , no hdr). Only downside is lower light sensitivity compared to full monochrome sensor.
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- 14 Dec 2021
Anonymous, 14 Dec 2021You do not need custom ISP to deal with WRGB sensor.
Even... moreCan you explain to me why you made up a point about not needing a custom ROM to process RGBW
You made that argument out of thin air
When the discussion was if oppo copy Google or not