Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra to introduce a SuperClear lens
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- 04 Feb 2022
Just me, 31 Jan 2022And i can't agree with "Every review here shows t... moreThe new Huawei P50pro review shows, just as an example where even a high-end model is not suitable on 'full res' mode. Both 50MP options from the main cam are not worth it, but the 12,5 MP's shots are simply outstanding and among the best ever reviewed by gsmarena.
Well exactly as it is supposed to be; quad bayer sensors excell when downsampled!
So i have to conclude 100% the motorola 108MP detail shots are nicely 'softwared' and optimalised n worked, but in no way will be better then the 12MP ones except in some more detail rendering wich is not worth it considering important photographic qualities that take a huge step back (obviously, the sensor isnt designed to take 108 MP RGB shots ) in dynamic range, rendering i general, color etc etc
https://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_p50_pro-review-2371.php
50Mp shots provide some resolution win but again with many downsides, so that is a niche and not suited for serious photographers. Its nice for pixel peeping on the phone screen to see a little more details and be impressed by it.. but the 12,5MP ones provide also a lot of detail - yet rendered oh so much better in many important ways to photographers!
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- 31 Jan 2022
Just me, 31 Jan 2022And i can't agree with "Every review here shows t... moreOk then there is some hope that increased resolution is a worthy thing @ this binning shit. Getting an S22U so i hope you are right.
Still a lot reviews mention its not worth the hassle and the differnce is not much and many other downsides occur like less dynamic range more moise, more sharpening artifacts tells me enough: its processed and upsampled (obvsiously because of quad sensing spots to create 1 real Rgb pix. So they use color info from 12MP. etc.
But often these are reviews from budget /midrange devices with the cheaper 48MP and 64MP versions
But really would like to see one with 24MP plain RGB and good glass 1" like the ones Sony and Canon use in their compacts. Ok huge camera bump..
Heck 16 MP 1/1,3" normal sensor tech i would be happy but they refuse to put really good lenses in anyway..
Speaking of wich Samsung has worked on the lens quality or at least front element wise with better coating - or so . So we have to wait and see. Next step in quality? Lens quality and optimalisations count and would rather get simething thats is refined and bettered like tech from S21U going to S22U then new experiments that have to proof themselves altough the 50MP new sensor for regular s22 has high expectations.
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- 31 Jan 2022
mawlki, 31 Jan 2022Actually i should have typed " Quad bayer type "s... moreAnd i can't agree with "Every review here shows that the daylight shots using the 'full resolution' are less ok in several ways", look at Moto Edge 20 review for example, the full res 108 MP photos look much better to me.
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- 31 Jan 2022
mawlki, 31 Jan 2022Actually i should have typed " Quad bayer type "s... moreI ment that (almost) all sensors on the market is bayer, that means, every pixel stores data for only one color. As you said Quad Bayer means filter array in which every 2×2 pixel array has the same color filter and Samsung's Tetrapixel is binning 3x3 pixels to one. So there are more sequential pixels that store date for only one color.
Although, these pixels dont have full color data, they still have data for illumination (how bright each pixel should be), therefore you have much more details in the image before binning it and with some clever demosaicing and other algorithms it can be made up for the lack of full color data.
I have note 20 Ultra and the difference is quite big.
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- 31 Jan 2022
Just me, 21 Jan 2022Bro this is how every sensor ever works, not just the "... moreactually the s22 uses 9 sense areas to create 1 real pixel. So not 4. its a different bayer pixel binning system.
A real full native rgb for phones that has 50MP or 108MP etc does not exist. Would be great though, but the sensor would be HUGE.
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- 31 Jan 2022
Just me, 21 Jan 2022Bro this is how every sensor ever works, not just the "... moreActually i should have typed " Quad bayer type "sensor. Not bayer type. S22 as many other smartphones use quad bayer technology:
Quad Bayer color filter array in which every 2×2 pixel array has the same color filter. This allows it to offer several ways to process its data, depending on the conditions.
In low light image data from the four pixels in such an array is merged and processed as one single pixel, resulting in a reduced 12MP image resolution. According to Sony, low light performance is comparable to large 1.6μm pixels.
In bright light the image signal processor can make full use of the sensor's 48MP pixel count, however, and capture high-resolution images or use the abundance of captured image data for high-quality digital zooming. This requires processing to convert the 'Quad Bayer' data into an approximation of what a 48MP Bayer sensor would have captured. It'll be interesting to see how well this does.
See it is an approximation. Really every review here in gsmarena shows that the 12MP shots are the good ones , but the 48MP are actually not worth the hassle. same with 64/16 and 108/12 It is not a rgb bayer sensor but uses quad bayer wich shines when pixel binning is used. Every review here shows that the daylight shots using the 'full resolution' are less ok in several ways. Sometimes some more detail is revealed (duh all kinds of software tricks) but it is not comparable to native RGB bayer of 48Mp or 64 Mp etc. Obviously it isnt look into how quad bayer sensors work and you get it.
What you describe is RGB bayer sensor but these dont have the high pixel count as that the quad bayer have they are older or used in budget phones with 12 Mp native or so.
Maybe its confusing theu have high pixel count of 50mp or so but why is the 'full resolution' image not appealing? see every review here.
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- 21 Jan 2022
mawlki, 20 Jan 2022While the 108MP 'shots' seem to have somewhat mor... moreBro this is how every sensor ever works, not just the "bayer" ones. There's no pixel in any (almost) sensor that can store RGB information, usually they are all in groups of four pixel (Red, Green, Green, Blue), and during the proccesing of the image, something called demosaicing is done, whitch is a digital image process used to reconstruct a full color image from the incomplete color samples output from an image sensor. So your theory is just incorrect, this ISN'T mainly due to processing and the details in much more, not just a little.
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- 20 Jan 2022
just me , 19 Jan 2022Bro , much of those sensors could shoot natively at 108 (My... moreWhile the 108MP 'shots' seem to have somewhat more details, this is mainly due to processing, they don't look good in many other ways. Well it is because they are upscaled. The sensor is a bayer type that generates an quite good 12MP RGB output. Anything done after that is generated from the 12MP end result. Look into how bayer sensors work. A green photo site or a blue photo site is not a real pixel. To get a real rgb 'pixel' binning has to occure.
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mawlki, 06 Jan 2022108MP is not the goal of that sensor. It is actually just ... moreBro , much of those sensors could shoot natively at 108 (My note 20 ultra can) and its not just upscale from 12 MP, its full 108 MP photo which have so much more details.
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- 17 Jan 2022
Some people will always complain about phones no matter how cool the devices are.
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- 11 Jan 2022
Anonymous, 11 Jan 2022No it minimizes lens flare and ghosting The process of coating can bring the lens more dissolving power. All those flares and warped lights destroy detail overall too anyway.
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What's the matter with people on here always arguing and bickering over phones?? It's just a phone get a life
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Anonymous, 06 Jan 2022Samsung's biggest issue is it's processing of pho... moreThat's not the point here, the coating to reduce lens flare and reflections, ghosting etc
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mawlki, 06 Jan 2022108MP is not the goal of that sensor. It is actually just ... moreNo it minimizes lens flare and ghosting
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- 09 Jan 2022
Castor, 08 Jan 2022Micro SD?what do you think? get over it already
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- 09 Jan 2022
Headphone socket?
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- 08 Jan 2022
Micro SD?
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- 07 Jan 2022
Anonymous, 06 Jan 2022They are not upgrades, they are the same things just with s... moreRight, you're referring to the lawsuit that Apple eventually lost, got their patents struck off?
Any idiot can scream copy, but the rest of the objective world will judge. Are you screaming that it's a copy (again)?
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- 07 Jan 2022
Why they have dirty lens on s21 lol