Sony Xperia 5 IV rumor claims the phone will use a TSMC-sourced Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 chipset

23 February 2022
We've heard this chip referred to as the 8 Gen 1+ and it might run cooler - important for a relatively small device.

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joe nodden, 27 Feb 2022Jesus Christ this is going absolutely nowhere. That's because you don't know what you're talking about.

    SuuperBaka, 24 Feb 2022"Yes I know what quad bayer sensors are. And no, nobod... moreJesus Christ this is going absolutely nowhere.

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      Hildr, 25 Feb 2022It's tall, but narrow. Far more pocketable and usable ... moreI strongly disagree. 1 is taller than the S22 Ultra and iPhone 13 Pro Max. It's one of the tallest phones in the world. Calling it small is like calling one of the tallest persons in the world small because he is thin. It depends on your preference, though. Some people like big phones. Some people like small phones. The size by itself isn't an advantage or a disadvantage.

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        Anonymous, 23 Feb 20221 isn't a small phone. It's a very tall phone. It... moreIt's tall, but narrow. Far more pocketable and usable with one hand than my previous mate 10 pro that was smaller but wider (I will not even mention Mate 20X and lumia 1520).
        I was just pointing out an important thing was missing in the 1 vs 5 series. It's not fair saying the 5 is better because added autonomy, especially when a lot of people have Qi charging and outlet everywhere every-time when a thing as important as size is not mentioned. Being tall with according hands, 1 is already small, really.

          Kangal, 25 Feb 2022I also never heard people use "QB" before. Sen... more"Sensor size isn't tied to resolution, they're independent."

          I should've clarified better, I meant that sensor size is what determines the pixel size. They are independent, but you are right pixel size is tied to both.

          "But pixel size is tied to both. It's analogous to thinking of time, versus distance, and in between the two you have speed. And as you said, on a large sensor you can have lots of small pixels, or fewer large pixels. Depending on the application, one may be more advantageous than the other.

          For instance, in low-light there is a lot of noise on the sensor so you would be better with the larger pixels. Whereas for distant images, having more pixels although small can yield a higher quality image."

          Agreed.

          "Personally, I think phones do not compete against DSLR or Mirrorless Cameras. Just like how phones don't compete with laptops."

          I also agree here, there is no comparison. A phone can never reach a FF which is why I prefer comparing to point and shoot.

          "We should be judging it to the likes of a Point'n'Shoot. When it comes to that task, the iPhone is far ahead of the competitors. Sure you can get better images from Huawei, Xiaomi, Oppo, Samsung, LG, and Sony... but you will have to fiddle with the phone and settings to get there. That's my personal belief. If you love spending a couple minutes, setting up your shot, and getting a killer image.... go bananas. I'm too lazy for that. If I want an image that is not good but great, I would rely on the proper tool for that task (dedicated camera)."

          I definitely do agree that iPhones have the best processing software when it comes to phones. They have great-looking images with what they have. The closest I can see on Android is Google's pixel series. It's personal preference I guess, I just like the camera-like feeling on Xperias by having that shutter button and the alpha interface that I'm used to.

          "What you should be doing is pitting the same sensor type against each other (eg IMX vs IMX, or Isocell vs Isocell), then ordering them from the largest sensor size to the smallest. This gives you a pretty good idea of which camera phone is better than which. However, it doesn't guarantee it."

          I do agree here, but people only look at phone vs phone. A camera using a smaller sensor will not perform as well as one with a bigger sensor. It's just hard because Sony's sensors are smaller than the competition with the exception of maybe Apple iirc. This makes it difficult to compare them.

          Great comment and thanks for the conversation.


            SuuperBaka, 24 Feb 2022Exactly, a large sensor allows more light in and is tied wi... moreI also never heard people use "QB" before.

            Sensor size isn't tied to resolution, they're independent.
            But pixel size is tied to both. It's analogous to thinking of time, versus distance, and in between the two you have speed. And as you said, on a large sensor you can have lots of small pixels, or fewer large pixels. Depending on the application, one may be more advantageous than the other.

            For instance, in low-light there is a lot of noise on the sensor so you would be better with the larger pixels. Whereas for distant images, having more pixels although small can yield a higher quality image.

            Personally, I think phones do not compete against DSLR or Mirrorless Cameras. Just like how phones don't compete with laptops. So we shouldn't be judging a phone's capabilities, like the Sony Xperia Pro-II. We should be judging it to the likes of a Point'n'Shoot. When it comes to that task, the iPhone is far ahead of the competitors. Sure you can get better images from Huawei, Xiaomi, Oppo, Samsung, LG, and Sony... but you will have to fiddle with the phone and settings to get there. That's my personal belief. If you love spending a couple minutes, setting up your shot, and getting a killer image.... go bananas. I'm too lazy for that. If I want an image that is not good but great, I would rely on the proper tool for that task (dedicated camera).

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            What you should be doing is pitting the same sensor type against each other (eg IMX vs IMX, or Isocell vs Isocell), then ordering them from the largest sensor size to the smallest. This gives you a pretty good idea of which cameraphone is better than which. However, it doesn't guarantee it.

            What you can do next, is to compare "theoretically" where the cameraphones performance lies, in contrast, to where they "practically" perform in real-world conditions. You will be surprised by the differences. So then you can chalk this difference to the software/rendering of the image, and then have a list of which brands have the best algorithm. Then you can try to put them in-order, like most advanced to least reliable, and that would be true for the majority of the time. Again, it won't guarantee it.

            Why?
            Because some algorithms will perform great at specific tasks and not-so well on other tasks, there are constant software updates, and there is an ever so slight difference in the Lens Quality of phones.

              Anonymous, 24 Feb 2022This is the first time I have seen someone uses "QB."I've had discussions with plenty of people using QB, If you don't believe me, then it's ur choice. I'm not skimming through the website to find a comment using "QB"

              Edit: Go to page 4 of this comment thread. Although I don't know what he's talking about when he says Apple made a switch to QB sensors

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                SuuperBaka, 24 Feb 2022"Yes I know what quad bayer sensors are. And no, nobod... moreThis is the first time I have seen someone uses "QB."

                  Kangal, 24 Feb 2022I agree. It's better to have one large sensor (qualit... moreExactly, a large sensor allows more light in and is tied with pixel size and resolution. You can have a large sensor and a lot of small pixels, or you can have a large sensor with a low number, but bigger pixels.

                  There is a ranking of importance if you're looking at purely image quality.

                  It changes when you include the camera body size based on the sensor, convenience, use cases, etc.

                  Like if I'm travelling, id prefer a MFT or a 1 inch sensor over a FF.

                    joe nodden, 24 Feb 2022Yes I know what quad bayer sensors are. And no, nobody call... more"Yes I know what quad bayer sensors are. And no, nobody calls it "QB" but you."

                    lmao this is the fattest cap I've heard. "QB" is widely used here by many users. There is no way u miss it unless your eyes are closed when you read comments.

                    "Regardless, you quite literally just said "It bins pixels together to throw out a 12MP image." then in the NEXT SENTENCE said, "I didn't say all, I said most."

                    I should've clarified that some have the option of the full resolution.

                    "I don't care if there are trash quad bayer senors that output 12MP images, not all do. "

                    They all output 12MP by default. A full resolution is an option for some of them.

                    "You sure do love comparing the best your beloved Sony has to offer to the worst other companies have to offer."

                    I'm comparing the best vs Sony's sensor.

                    They both have their advantages and disadvantages, but Sony's advantages outweigh the QB advantages. Faster readout, bigger pixels naturally, better colour accuracy, etc.

                    Their new sensor tech is gonna be a big advancement in mobile photography.

                      SuuperBaka, 24 Feb 2022"Oh so you still think you can rank things based upon ... moreI agree.
                      It's better to have one large sensor (quality), than to use several small sensors and try to use them together (quantity). This fact has been established already by digital cameras.

                        joe nodden, 24 Feb 2022Oh so you still think you can rank things based upon "... more"Oh so you still think you can rank things based upon "importance"? I assumed you were just listing some of the factors that you can't ignore. In that case nevermind, you're wrong."

                        It's not that I think, I know. Sensor size is the most important, there is no argument here. Please provide an argument on why anything else is more important.

                          Mobilemaster, 24 Feb 2022Ok, sorry if I was rude. I thought you didn't believe ... moreNah dude, it's all good. I misunderstood, I wasn't trying to call you a liar or anything, I was just wondering what you were referring to cuz they don't exist on gsmarena. If I see examples, I want to be able to look at the files themselves to determine the quality.

                          "and I would also like to see some long range optical zoom on Sony phones(not necessary 10x, an 8x would be appreciated as well)."

                          The problem here would be how to make those optical zoom lenses without making the phone too thick. People don't realize that those optical zooms on Sony phones are there while keeping the phone's thickness close to the competition.

                            SuuperBaka, 24 Feb 2022"Crazy how this comment added absolutely nothing to yo... moreYes I know what quad bayer sensors are. And no, nobody calls it "QB" but you. Regardless, you quite literally just said "It bins pixels together to throw out a 12MP image." then in the NEXT SENTENCE said, "I didn't say all, I said most."

                            I don't care if there are trash quad bayer senors that output 12MP images, not all do. You sure do love comparing the best your beloved Sony has to offer to the worst other companies have to offer.

                              SuuperBaka, 24 Feb 2022"You literally just proved you didn't read my pre... moreOh so you still think you can rank things based upon "importance"? I assumed you were just listing some of the factors that you can't ignore. In that case nevermind, you're wrong.

                                SuuperBaka, 24 Feb 2022"Oh boy, are you a child? Did I even mention GSMARENA?... moreOk, sorry if I was rude. I thought you didn't believe me. I am not here to spread lies. It is not who I am. And I am not against Sony, I just said my opinion, and I would also like to see some long range optical zoom on Sony phones(not necessary 10x, an 8x would be appreciated as well).

                                  Mobilemaster, 24 Feb 2022Oh boy, are you a child? Did I even mention GSMARENA? There... more"Oh boy, are you a child? Did I even mention GSMARENA?"

                                  So because I mentioned GSMarena, I'm suddenly a child? Insane logic buddy.

                                  "There are videos on YouTube boy, please watch them and than reply me. :)"

                                  We're on GSMarena, I'm gonna look here first before I talk about examples. I can look at the files myself by downloading the image.

                                  "Please have a look at Danny Winget's video comparison between the S22 U and S21 U. Now full 108 MP shots are extremely sharp in comparison with the S21 U."

                                  I do agree that they are better, I can see the improvements, but I'd prefer to look at the files myself.

                                    joe nodden, 24 Feb 2022You literally just proved you didn't read my previous ... more"You literally just proved you didn't read my previous arguments, because I literally made this exact point in my argument with you before."

                                    And you literally just proved you lack reading comprehension like you always do when we argue for some reason. I literally explained what factors are important for image quality ranked from the most important to the least. Yet you love to ignore that part for some reason.

                                      joe nodden, 24 Feb 2022Crazy how this comment added absolutely nothing to your arg... more"Crazy how this comment added absolutely nothing to your argument. It's honestly annoying. Not all sensors throw out a 12MP image like your terrible Sony sensors."

                                      Do you know what QB does? It bins pixels together to throw out a 12MP image. I didn't say all, I said most. You love to be specific right? Just like you were arguing over that one guy who typed mega pixel instead of megapixel when it was clear what he meant.

                                      "I mean, "I didn't ask, so thank you for not wasting both of our time."? Bruh you literally made the same argument once again. You wasted your time anyways. You would've said the same thing no matter what I said."

                                      You keep bringing up the resolution again, so it's a waste of both our times. I personally don't care rn cuz Im bored, so it is what it is.

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                                        Whatever it may be, but since from past 3 years, sony had stopped its marketing in india. If like to purchase at whatever the cost may be, it is not possible.

                                        It's better to starts sony mobile phone marketing in india and to create its appitate for the product.

                                        Sony mobile phone users are always like and use Sony mobile phones only.

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