Qualcomm is allegedly announcing the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1+ in May
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Tnerb, 25 Mar 2022There are so many things to consider, "pressured by me... moreI'd argue that there really is only 1 thing to consider
Because it takes one straw to break the camel's back...
WITH the context of competition it is more expensive for Qualcomm to give mediatek a technological edge by making mediatek get a piece of the 4nm process
Losing market share in the process
And equally Qualcomm choosing the best outcome for themselves doesn't mean they will pass on any benefits or potential savings unto it's customers
Why did they not use Samsung for first wave and then secure some 4nm from TSMC
TSMC surely did not have enough capacity .. but why did mediatek get to secure a piece over Qualcomm
I will bet Qualcomm again chose to cheap out with Samsung and it backfired
Business care about profit first and the D9000 threatens that for them .. with a monopoly they could just ignore the low yields because OEMs wouldn't have any other option that's not the case for 2022
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Maybe it'll be good? I'd want to praise the Dimensity 9000 but nothing has released with that chip yet. I'm worried it's going to go the route of vaporware
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AnonD-1043898, 25 Mar 2022Samsung was never a problem but Ovendragon is Nvidia and i... moreA computer GPU can have much more cooling than a phone SoC you know
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IpsDisplay, 25 Mar 2022This doesn't add up.. because mediatek secured 4nm bef... moreThere are so many things to consider, "pressured by mediatek" could never be the "solely" reason as you suggested.
Qualcomm has to find a balance between how much profit they make, how much of the costs they push upon the phonemakers, how many chips they want produced and all that within their yearly deadline.
From a phone enthousiast perspective it's easy to say "well they should've just outbid all other companies for TSMC 4nm (and this goes for the fully booked 5nm as well)", but you can bet that Qualcomm would've pushed all these costs to the phonemakers, which in turn would increase the price of their phones, or in Qualcomm's worst case scenario; phonemakers wouldn't even buy their chips. And then again TSMC might not have had enough capacity for all the new flagships of this year.
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Anonymous, 25 Mar 2022Lol, people just think because it's ARM and because TS... moreApple can give the world a supercomputer chip in the iPhone, but it will still limited by that pathetic iOS.
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Dilyan, 25 Mar 2022Question is, SD 7 gen 1 is using A78 or A710??SD 8 gen 1 uses A710
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Tnerb, 25 Mar 2022No? Definitely not the sole reason.
The samsung yields are... moreThis doesn't add up.. because mediatek secured 4nm before them
Even in your scenario at the very least Qualcomm should have the 4nm version ready in march if they had already safely secured 4nm
They could have easily produced both 5nm for the demand of 2021 and then got 4nm ready by now
But that's not what happened they are projecting for MAy meanwhile mediatek has already secured 4nm you mean to tell me some how Qualcomm couldnt out negotiate mediatek?
I still believe Qualcomm cheaped out and was trying to replicate the 888 and it backfired on them
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AnonD-1043898, 25 Mar 2022Samsung was never a problem but Ovendragon is Nvidia and i... moreYes True Qualcomm is the problem. Their chip designs are no longer efficient like we used to know them. Mediatek might just come on top if they can keep the thermals down & maintain the performance. I might consider D9000 but waiting to see user reviews when more phones launch with MTK D9000
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Aierlan, 25 Mar 2022These things are planned well in advance. The new Snapdrago... moreI still disagree because equally the D9000 is planned in advance and so is securing 4nm process
I highly doubt Qualcomm did not have the option to bid for a slice of the tsmc slice
I would bet they chose Samsung out of cheapness and is not trying to course correct
Its highly unlikely that Qualcomm predicted low yield from Samsung and even more sore a low yield is more detrimental with competition around..
Qualcomm is being reactive in this situation
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IpsDisplay, 25 Mar 2022Yes it is quick not because Qualcomm actually cares about i... moreThese things are planned well in advance. The new Snapdragon chip may well be in production for a month or two at this stage. Even Phone companies have to reserve chips 6-12 months in advance. Chip manufacturers also can't necessarily just choose to use TSMC because they want to. We can't know for sure whether or not they freely chose Samsung or they basically had to due to limited supply from TSMC. They don't have the capacity to supply Apple, Mediatek and Qualcomm for every chip.
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We are waiting for dimensity 9000 plus or a better version..
Qualcomm is releasing rice cookers as long as they cooperate with Samsung..
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announcement, i hoped for availability. their latest flagships from Samsung are terrible, i cant be bothered with reviews.
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maybe 3nm will be better or worse with heating issues? will heating issues ever be resolved? no one knows for sure, except maybe foundry owners and workers.
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IpsDisplay, 25 Mar 2022Yes it is quick not because Qualcomm actually cares about i... moreNo? Definitely not the sole reason.
The samsung yields are terrible and qualcomm had already reserved 4nm capacity well before last year. It is way more likely that they had to use samsung foundry first because they had no choice and phonemakers wanted a new chip.
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Mediatek sux, 25 Mar 2022Ofc they all add their own tweaks to the standard design, b... moreOn Android, no. On iOS, yes. Because software and hardware are specifically designed for each other. It can better schedule tasks, more efficiently utilize power/efficiency cores, put them to sleep at right times and wake them up at right times.
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YUKI93, 25 Mar 2022May? That is quick. The 888+ was launched at the end of Jun... moreYes it is quick not because Qualcomm actually cares about it's heating issues
This is solely because of the dimensity 9000 giving them pressure
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I don't know why people are so obsessed with the ovendragon, they even think if one version is bad the other version will be better. I hate to burst your bubble but the next sn might be as bad as the first, after all they are brothers.
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nanagdad, 25 Mar 2022The last good Qualcomm chip was SD 870 fabricated by TSMC. ... more870 is not new chip.
865 > 865+ > 865++(870)
Now repeat :
Overclocking 1 core like 0.2GHz is useless.
Overclocking 1 core like 0.2GHz is useless.
Overclocking 1 core like 0.2GHz is useless.
Overclocking 1 core like 0.2GHz is useless.
Overclocking 1 core like 0.2GHz is useless.
Overclocking 1 core like 0.2GHz is useless.
Overclocking 1 core like 0.2GHz is useless.
Overclocking 1 core like 0.2GHz is useless.
Overclocking 1 core like 0.2GHz is useless.