Samsung brings ISOCELL HP3 200MP sensor with smallest ever pixels
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- nin
- 23 Jun 2022
Lccy, 23 Jun 2022Once again Samsung is claiming to be able to do both 4 in 1... moreAs always, depends on brand that do processing. Vivo does just good enough.
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- Lccy
- n1k
- 23 Jun 2022
Once again Samsung is claiming to be able to do both 4 in 1 and 16 in 1 binning, that is impossible as the Bayer filter is hardware based cannot be altered, this is likely a 16 to 1 Bayer filter just like the hp1 and 50mp images will not look anywhere near as good as a 50mp Bayer sensor or a 200mp sensor with 4 in 1 binning.
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- Anonymous
- tDQ
- 23 Jun 2022
for comparison sake, the JN1 50mp with 0.64mp um can output roughly same quality image that rival 0.8um im586, also the poco x3 gt who use 0.7um 64mp from omnivision have better image quality and sharpness than most 64mp phone that use 0.8um, i hope the 0.56um wont make the 200mp bad
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- Lccy
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- 23 Jun 2022
Muthu, 23 Jun 2022More pixels means more data - No, that is NOT correct. Size... moreMore pixels does equal more data and in ideal conditions, more data means a better image because you have more sampling, and therefore fewer digital artifacts such as false colour, moiré and aliasing. The problem is when the signal to noise ratio is worse and therefore negates the advantage of more pixels, for example whereas the 64mp Bayer sensor on the S20 and s21 produces more detail on bright sunny conditions than the standard 12mp sensor, it's worse in low light conditions.
A larger pixel size does not automatically mean a better image, compare a modern bsi sensor with advanced isolation to a previous generation sensor with larger pixels, a modern sensor has less noise despite the higher pixel count.
Where this is marketing bs from Samsung is their claim to be able to do both 4 in 1 and 16 in 1 binning, that is not possible as the Bayer filter is hardware based, therefore this is a standard 12.5 mp sensor like most smartphone sensors
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- 23 Jun 2022
High megapixels cameras are the way to go for smartphones computational photography thrives on excess data... Stop thinking phone cameras are DSLRS
DSLR are at a dead end but AI /machine learning algorithms have not even scratched the surface yet... Fight me...
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- Mike
- pma
- 23 Jun 2022
Imagine the Nokia (true one not HMD) 808 Pure View with a new sensor. Back then it was a great phone with a great camera. To this day, it takes very nice photos, but after so many years, you need a refreshed sensor and software.
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- The Android Freak
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- 23 Jun 2022
AnonD-1033007, 23 Jun 2022I wonder if this will be on S23? 🤔Moto Frontier aka Moto Edge 30 Ultra most probably.
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- Anonymous
- StU
- 23 Jun 2022
TheLastOracle, 23 Jun 2022"To maximize the dynamic range of the mobile image sen... moreYou just repeated what the article says
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- vG1
- 23 Jun 2022
"To maximize the dynamic range of the mobile image sensor, the ISOCELL HP3 adopts an improved Smart-ISO Pro feature. The technology merges image information made from the two conversion gains of Low and High ISO mode to create HDR images. The upgraded version of the technology comes with a triple ISO mode — Low, Mid and High — that further widens the sensor’s dynamic range."
This should help dynamic range. It seems like a Triple ISO Sensor. Hopefully this is the Triple Gajn version where information from the theree gain levels is merged well at real time.
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- SH3
- 23 Jun 2022
So maybe a Motorola Frontier 2 or it will be called Motorola UberUltimate or maybe Motorola James Webber will have it.
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- 23 Jun 2022
JJKang, 23 Jun 2022It would be in s23 ultraMaybe S24 this have 9 months to go at least.
S23 ultra have less than 9 months to go.
Maybe the older model of 200 Mpix Isocell camera will be on S23 phone.
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- AnonD-731363
- SH3
- 23 Jun 2022
Still with a lto smaller pixels than its predecessor it will output 50+ Megabytes per picture captured so apple which doesnt support SD cards will not use it because they have no disk space for something like this.
Same will go for many flagship grade phones with 64 to 128 GB disk sapce and no SD card support.
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- KgZ
- 23 Jun 2022
Olympus Oms, 23 Jun 2022Excited to see which Chinese brand will use it before Samsu... moreMotorola
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- Muthu
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- 23 Jun 2022
vrvly, 23 Jun 2022More pixels means more data even if with more noise and som... moreMore pixels means more data - No, that is NOT correct. Size of each pixel matters. The higher the pixel size, the better the image output from that sensor. The other commenters in this thread are correct. This is not a useful development, pure marketing BS.
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- Anonymous
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- 23 Jun 2022
I guess JN2 is coming
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- g5f
- 23 Jun 2022
ShubhamDeshmukh, 23 Jun 2022This. Oil painting is going to be even more prominent on th... moreMore pixels means more data even if with more noise and some drawbacks, you get better picture. After all, using multiple sensors and stacking/binning, computational photography can offset most of dark side, while giving that hi res on top.
More R&D and competition makes it easier in phones, as opposed to full size cameras that comes too pricy to upgrade and get better fast.
This is happening for some time already, 64mp stills and 8K videos basically breathes on neck of full frames.
No turning back from road to 1GP.
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- NasserSolomon
- ITV
- 23 Jun 2022
Why this company makes smaller and smaller generations of sensors 🙂💔
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- f}g
- 23 Jun 2022
walkman8, 23 Jun 2022"Smallest ever pixels" is not something to brag a... moreThis. Oil painting is going to be even more prominent on this sensor. Do not understand why smartphones need such sensors, when clearly DSLRs with larger thicker bodies haven't found any use of such high megapixels. If the truth has to be told, this is nothing other than pure marketing BS. These sensors are useless for DSLR use, let alone smartphones. This is going to be a low-light night-time nightmare. Pardon the pun.
Also, going tiny on pixels will make it quite clear why this is literally pushing the laws of light on the extreme. Because it will struggle to capture light, at all. Images will be more dull or gloomy, less vibrant, and will have less color accuracy. Even more than 108MP. Then AI can only do so much oil painting.
Basically:
50MP > 12MP > 108MP > 200MP
> means superior
where 50MP is the sweet spot for sensors around 1/2.5" to 1/1.1" size that smartphones need. See Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra review.
Sometimes, even 12MP sensors with sufficient large pixels do an excellent job. See iPhone 13 Pro, Galaxy S21, Galaxy S21 FE reviews.
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- Anonymous
- gBV
- 23 Jun 2022
The HP3 is actually not a true 200 megapixel sensor like the HP1. It has a microlens over a group of 4 pixels. This makes it a fundamentally different sensor and you won't be able to capture true 200 megapixel photos. It's basically the same reason why 12 megapixel dual pixel sensors don't give you 24 megapixel photos. The microlenses of dual pixel sensors actually cover two pixels. "12 megapixel" dual pixel sensors can output two different 12 megapixel photos captured at the same time (see dual pixel raw from Canon) by reading out all 24 million pixels separately, but they can't give you a true 24 megapixel photo due to the microlenses.