Flashback: a decade of iPhone camera tech
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SShock, 28 Jun 2022I mean, every compact camera without removable lens is tech... moreThat's where I said that it was a stretch 😃
The traditional established nomenclature isn't like that, but if you want to create one of your own, why not?
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Rkm, 28 Jun 2022That's stretching a bit. Ricoh GR3, which is compact c... moreI mean, every compact camera without removable lens is technically IBIS... it's all in its body anyways...
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SShock, 28 Jun 2022Technically in-lens and in-body stabilization only applies ... moreThat's stretching a bit. Ricoh GR3, which is compact camera has sensor shift stabilization and they specifically mention it has IBIS (3-axis) whereas Sony RX100 (another compact camera) series which has lens based stabilization is referred to as OIS.
The term 'optical' usually means lens based. Just "Image Stabilization (IS)" is used to referred both of them together. Not a big deal to argue about, but there is a difference.
Olympus has Sync IS which uses their 5-axis IBIS and lens' OIS to provide upto 6-7 stops of stabilization.
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Nick Tegrataker, 28 Jun 2022While you're definitely right about "OIS" te... moreTechnically in-lens and in-body stabilization only applies to D/SLR's with detachable lenses. It's irrelevant for anything else. For fixed lenses one could then split OIS into sensor shifting stabilization or lens/optics shifting stabilization. Not sure if anyone made system where both can shift, lens and sensor and if that can even further stabilize image.
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SShock, 28 Jun 2022Except they do. Also it's an irrelevant argument. OIS ... moreWhile you're definitely right about "OIS" technically being an umbrella term that encompasses both lens and sensor-shift stabilisation, from what I could find, Sony, Canon, Fuji, and Panasonic use the term "optical" to solely describe lens stabilisation, while the rest seems to prefer clearer terms such as "in-lens" or "in-body" to better distinguish the two different methods. Not trying to deny your point, just adding some details to it.
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AnonD-1046991, 28 Jun 2022I never go with trends. I always avoid, I don't buy ex... moreWow, so edgy. You, hipster you.
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AnonD-1046991, 28 Jun 2022This was to be a fake-produced megapixelyou might be right but that isnt the case either.
the ISP chip has to over-process and resizing the raw 12.5 MP photo to desired results
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you have to suffer, 27 Jun 2022imagine if you were trying to post 108MP photo to social me... moreThis was to be a fake-produced megapixel
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Nick Tegrataker, 28 Jun 2022No dedicated camera uses the name "OIS" to descri... moreExcept they do. Also it's an irrelevant argument. OIS just describes there is mechanical/optical image stabilization method used opposed to EIS which describes purely electronic/digital image stabilization usually done through increased ISO and shorter shutter time to quickly capture scene without giving it long exposure which usually results in blurred subjects or scenes due to movement during capture. IBIS is still OIS, one could also call it MIS (mechanical image stabilization) since it involves mechanical adjustment to avoid image distortion due to movement instead of digital method. Also OIS and EIS were common terms used back in the day in compact camera specs, when OIS wasn't that common and many of digital photo cameras still had just EIS and having OIS meant it's a bit better model which they had to specifically mention. IBIS makes no sense as a broad term for optical image stabilization because it can only be used on DSLR's where you can physically detach a lens from the body and where IBIS even makes sense as a description if you want to know if lenses have the stabilization or it's done in the camera body.
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AnonD-1046991, 28 Jun 2022It's only a gimmick until Apple blatantly copies Andro... moreI swear I read the exact same garbage nonsense comment from some other person. Are you posting under different accounts? Literally same meaningless mention of webOS (where did you manage to drag this into all of it) and Palm (really? lets drag in Ericcson and their touch phone too then) and how only Apply copies things, entirely ignoring that entire Android's OS "community" (can't call it ecosystem because there isn't any) consists of them copying s**t from each other. Only "Android" is the AOSP version of Android. If something is there, it's expected to be on all phones (and even then things can be missing like Privacy controls on Xiaomi phones even though they run Android 12). The rest are individual "skins" made by various vendors like Samsung. But you lot just throw everything under same label of "Android" and call it innovation and "so much better than iOS" after picking and choosing all the collective features from all the different skins from all the different vendors.
The rest just copy and pastes the code, Apple actually has to code everything because it's not using Android like everyone else. And they always use a bit different approach. And there is plenty of features I've experienced on iOS that I haven't seen on any Android (and vice versa). People seriously need to stop whining with their stupid "then Apple copies it and calls it innovation". It just reeks ignorance and shows how clueless you are.
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Anonymous, 27 Jun 2022Ever used a real camera? You should know they use sensor sh... moreNo dedicated camera uses the name "OIS" to describe sensor-based stabilisation, it's called IBIS.
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s22u power user, 27 Jun 2022innovation development so meh execution, android esp samsu... moreI never go with trends. I always avoid, I don't buy expensive and overed popular phones. I stick with Nokia or others.
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It's only a gimmick until Apple blatantly copies Android like they did to webOS (Palm) with the gesture swipes. Then it becomes useful because Apple does it. Then all their cattle worshippers will say they invented it and was Google that copied them, disguise as a "inspiration". For every step Apple tries to do, they take two steps back. They stagnated the market with their removal of features and slow adoption to "innovation". Then when they finally do it, it's like because they're patient. They wait to perfect it. If others are first to the market, all that was beta. Apple can do no wrong but don't.
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- 27 Jun 2022
innovation development so meh
execution, android esp samsung closing the gap even closer with every S device introduced, even excel at parts that even iphone can only dream about (periscope, versatility)
but they are apple. the trendsetter. not the innovator. the wealth status.
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- 27 Jun 2022
How is their HDR now? They had the most terrible roll off and gradients in harsh lighting conditions.
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Anonymous, 27 Jun 2022Ever used a real camera? You should know they use sensor sh... moreActually they call it IBIS (In body image stabilization).
OIS has always been lens based whether it's VR or IS or OSS.
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you have to suffer, 27 Jun 2022imagine if you were trying to post 108MP photo to social me... moreIt resizes the image (smaller resolution). If you want to achieve small file size only through compression while retaining same resiolution, the quality would be absolutely horrible. Same applies to video. If you want to compress 4K or even 8K video without resizing the image resolution, you'd have to use very high compression and that would really ruin the image quality.
I mean, just try compressing a 108Mpix photo to just 500KB or even 1MB using just quality slider for JPEG compression quality level. You'd have to use something like 30% quality if not even less to hit that file size target. 90% is passable, 95% is recommended and I often use 99% because it makes file significantly smaller while basically no affecting quality. Never in my life I've used 50%, let alone 30% quality for JPEG images.
Most high quality image resizing algorithms perform operation similar to pixel binning done by camera itself, so even though image is smaller, it still has plenty of quality. Better do that than using extreme compression.
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you have to suffer, 27 Jun 2022just because of the megapixel number, you cant compare betw... moreOw no, don't say you're giving credits too this patent troll company.
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Anonymous, 26 Jun 2022Would be nice if gsmarena no longer uses name Sensor Shift... moreEver used a real camera? You should know they use sensor shift tech and ther call it OIS.