Samsung's upcoming "Hexa²pixel" sensor to hit 450MP resolution

26 July 2022
The 200MP HP1 and HP2 use Tetra²pixel color filters, an evolution of the original Tetracell designs.

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  • 27 Jul 2022

Nick Tegrataker, 27 Jul 20221) The purpose of Quad Bayer is that it effectively gives y... morePhoto tool is so great. Scale to 12MP.
Sounds weird when sample of $250 phone taken at iso1175 by crap 13MP 1/3" omnivision ends up better than a $1200 phone.
Dont you think?

https://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=5&idPhone1=9592&idPhone2=11253&idPhone3=11089

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    • 27 Jul 2022

    So if there is two hexa²pixel then it'll have 900mp(450+450) so I think it will release at 2026

      Nick Tegrataker, 27 Jul 2022It is pointless because: 1) Splitting 1 pixel into 36 pi... moreAhh thank you

      I see where you coming from I hope more people would be more thorough like you did here

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        • Anonymous
        • 8N3
        • 27 Jul 2022

        Nick Tegrataker, 27 Jul 20221) The purpose of Quad Bayer is that it effectively gives y... morePhone with tiny sensor + crap plastic lenses that cost less than 10 dollars has better texture to you than full frame camera with lenses that cost over $1000 with glass and usually at least 12 elements. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

        Cannot even match simple RX100.

        Your obsession to defend chinese phones at any cost is huge case of searching for professional help.
        You really need.

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          • Anonymous
          • 8N3
          • 27 Jul 2022

          Anonymous, 27 Jul 2022Wait, if you think that 808/1020 just use simple downscalin... moreYeah, a pixel with green filter in the right upper corner has ability to act as one with another green on the other side of sensor according to you just like neighbor pixels of quadbayer sensors.

          Best part, they "group" 7 of them and take piece of another one, since 38/5 = 7,6

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            • 27 Jul 2022

            Too many MP to small sensor size.

              I think the Photos will take so much memory storage

                IpsDisplay, 27 Jul 2022Don't just say it's pointless say why you think i... moreIt is pointless because:

                1) Splitting 1 pixel into 36 pixels of the same colour wouldn't magically give you more details - there would be hundreds of millions of pixels whose neighbours aren't those of the different colours which makes interpolation of colours and accurate restoration of details extremely hard. GSMArena's samples show that 108MP Nonacell sensors barely resolve any more details (sometimes worse) than 50MP Tetracell/Quad Bayer sensors in full resolution mode, so what would be the benefit of doing 6x6 pixel grouping instead of already questionable 3x3?

                2. Since this Hexa2Pixel wouldn't hold any advantage over Quad/Nona CFAs in terms of details, smaller individual pixel size would only hurt image quality, especially when shooting in full resolution.

                3. Diffraction - There's not a single consumer-grade lens that could possibly resolve 450MP. Literally none.

                  Anonymous, 26 Jul 2022Problems are: 1) these should be bayer. Not quad, hexa,... more1) The purpose of Quad Bayer is that it effectively gives you a light-sensitive sensor that can also act like a high-resolution sensor by switching the read-out mode. This is why nowadays many midrange and high-end smartphones perform 2x lossless digital zoom as long as the scenes are sufficiently lit, whereas no phone that is equipped with a 12MP sensor hasn't been able to do the same.

                  2) Try comparing the 50MP samples from Mate X2, Xiaomi 12S Ultra and S21+ to those from Canon 5D Mk.II and Nokia 808 on GSMArena's ISO 12233 chart and tell me which one resolves the highest amount of details. I'll wait.

                    Nick Tegrataker, 27 Jul 2022It's funny that your speech has nothing to do with the... moreDon't just say it's pointless say why you think it is pointless

                    Maybe I can learn something

                    I can give you why I believe otherwise.. just a conversation

                      IpsDisplay, 26 Jul 2022Nothing delusional here Your only bases for complaining ... moreIt's funny that your speech has nothing to do with the sensor resolution getting (pointlessly) higher and doesn't prove anything regarding the potential effectiveness of Hexa2pixels or whatever the BS Samsung is trying to pull out.

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                        • Anonymous
                        • n1c
                        • 27 Jul 2022

                        Anonymous, 26 Jul 2022Nokia 808 does not do binning (despite gsmarena keeps sayin... moreWait, if you think that 808/1020 just use simple downscaling algorithm that you find typically do on PC/phones then you're really incorrect. And yes it's pixel binning in a way because it has upto 7 pixels to work with in 5mp oversampling mode (and 5 pixels in 8mp mode).

                        None denies that sensor technologies have progressed a lot. But that's no excuse for marketing gimmicks. Nokia's 41mp RGB (yes remember this word) sensor wasn't a gimmick, rather it had two practical tasks:
                        1. Pureview oversampling to reduce noise
                        2. Continuous, lossless zooming upto 3x.

                        But what practical purposes do today's 200mp multi bayer sensors in smartphones serve?

                        1. Ok, granted that algorithm allow phones to do pixel binning by working with lets say 4 pixels as in quad bayer. But how many pixels do you need when you're already doing computational photography on time domain (i.e. HDR+)? From 4 to 9 to 16 to 36?? Can't you see the actual pixels have gotten to 0.64 microns as a result which is just ridiculously small??

                        2. Unlike Nokias, these can't be used for lossless zooming because despite sheer number of actual pixels, these aren't true RGB sensors. Rather, you only get 12mp worth of colour information which is the binned resolution of these sensors. So when you zoom in, you'll be cropping from only 12mp worth of colour, even if your phone allows cropping from actual sensor resolution. Result? Poor colour when zooming unlike the Nokias. On top of that, because pixel sizes have gone to as small as 0.64microns, details would be extremely noisy even without considering colour.
                        This is disappointing because a proper high resolution RGB sensor could be a solution to the zoom gap problem until the telephone lens activates.


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                          • Anonymous
                          • n1c
                          • 27 Jul 2022

                          IpsDisplay, 27 Jul 2022You don't "know" how sensors work Just li... moreA developed product doesn't necessarily mean its follows scientific standards in every aspects. Salt lamps are products too, are you gonna say they're scientific?!

                            SuuperBaka, 27 Jul 2022"Your only bases for complaining about tiny pixels ... moreYou don't "know" how sensors work

                            Just like everyone else you are LEARNING which means your understanding of it is subject...actually inevitably will change overtime

                            My argument is to keep an open mind as how we understand things is constantly changing.. pretty easy arguement here

                            And you are conditioned all your doing is taking the know how of how sensors work and project those principles unto the future

                            This isn't court but it is a scientifically developed product that uses scientific principles

                            And the scientific method is to not confirm our bias but to try our best to prove ourselves incorrect and when we cannot do so we then state why we are correct

                            I remember when 8mp was enough.. it's always enough until it isnt

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                              • Anonymous
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                              • 27 Jul 2022

                              NeonHD, 27 Jul 2022Damn. This is coming close to the supposed resolution of th... moreMeans nothing if the pixel size is tiny and pointless.....only way these sensors can produce decent images , is when binned to a smaller resolution.

                                Nick Tegrataker, 26 Jul 2022Welp, that's depressing. The saddest part is that Sams... moreThey honestly should be working on improving the resolution they got instead of beating themselves again in some megapixel war. They do so much better with their tech, but they keep wasting it, unfortunately.

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                                  • 27 Jul 2022

                                  samsung's s21u/22u outputs the same picture quality in 108MP compared to lower res vanilla models. so,why more pixels?

                                    IpsDisplay, 26 Jul 2022Nothing delusional here Your only bases for complaining ... more"Your only bases for complaining about tiny pixels

                                    Is because you've been conditioned from TRADITIONAL ASSOCIATIONS with physical limitations"

                                    LMAO. I'm not "conditioned" I understand how sensors work. The reason why this sensor is dogwater is because the pixels would have to be extremely tiny. Smaller than the 0.56um pixel size on the 200MP sensor and smaller than most of the colour wavelengths. You aren't going to be capturing anything with this.

                                    "When you hear small pixels psychologically you draw on past experiences but remember how things are Today doesn't mean the rules will be the same tomorrow"

                                    How things are today will be the same tomorrow, that's called physics. You can't overcome this with computational photography since it's also limited by physics.

                                    "Let me remind you computational photography can see through walls....."

                                    When did I ask?

                                    "Would you honestly look me in the eye and believe its ridiculous to bet on computational progress essentially a new frontier that limits we are far from even reaching"

                                    Yes, I would because I understand how it works unlike you. You haven't actually made an actual argument on why this is a good sensor, all you have done is ramble on.

                                    "How long have we already tinkered with lens purity , aperture etc.."

                                    And those were all physical things that took time to fix. We overcame physical limitations time by time, but this is the one case where it doesn't work.

                                    "Lastly innocent until proven guilty

                                    Let every sensor get a chance then pass judgement"

                                    This isn't a court case, anyone with knowledge already knows this sensor is a waste of time. We don't need to see it come out yet, 450MP sensor on a phone is more than enough.

                                      LP, 27 Jul 2022Please go to Dxomark and see the mobile phone camera rankin... moreAnd most people are ignoring that fact.
                                      Thank you...!

                                        432/6²=12
                                        432/4²=27
                                        432/3²=48
                                        432/2²=108
                                        432/1²=432

                                        It could have a total of 5 output modes 🤯