Rumor: the Galaxy S23 Ultra will have a 200MP sensor with 0.6µm pixels, 5,000mAh battery
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- 05 Aug 2022
Geeeezzzzz... as this is a first for this sensor in a mobile unit maybe slow down on the speculations and nonsensical banter. We should Motorola Edge X30 Pro is scheduled to launch next week with 200MP sensor and will maybe give an insight as to this sensor performance.
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- 05 Aug 2022
unxpctd, 05 Aug 2022If it sounds too good to be true, it's not true.
Pi... moreI think the pixels are small enough that we can save straight to GIF now. Despite what marketing says, I wouldn't be surprised if each pixel provided only 2 or 3 bits of usable data each. Now we can argue about whether to use 6-6-6, 6-7-6, 6-8-5, or 8-8-4 palettes for our images.
I'm only half joking. Oversampling + noise is one way to produce analog data from only a few bits per sample. It has different trade-offs than fewer samples with more bits. For example, oversampling + noise can zoom in to finer details but they're more distorted.
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- 05 Aug 2022
Doesn't matter. I suspect every year the S series sales are falling, and this will continue until sammy includes an under display camera.
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- 05 Aug 2022
Anonymous, 05 Aug 2022Sony phones are the most boring phones of all phones.Says you. They're the only ones with flagships that keep all the bells and whistles the others remove and keep bezels knowing that it results in an unblemished display with front-facing stereo speakers.
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- 05 Aug 2022
Anonymous, 05 Aug 2022"0.6µm needs to be seen as a BAD thing. Why is Samsung... more"But yes, I would expect the 200 megapixel mode to be noisier than the 108 megapixel mode due to more read noise."
Though I want to add that this should be only true in not perfect light conditions, if the full well capacity is better. If the full well capacity is as good as in the diagram of the prototype, then the base Iso noise of the 200 megapixel mode should be better than in the 108 megapixel mode, even at pixel level.
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- 05 Aug 2022
Dometalican, 04 Aug 2022*sigh... We've literally hit lack of excitement for... moreSony phones are the most boring phones of all phones.
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- Lkg
- 05 Aug 2022
Anonymous, 05 Aug 2022I want to add that I found the source of the diagram. It�... moreThere will be 3 sensors with 200MP looks like.
First to be used by Motorola flagship, that is known so far as Frontier. Would be an evolution of HMX also used by Xiaomi. And xiaomi 12T Pro might have as well. This is the 1/1.22" HP1.
Second would be for low lower tier phones, a replacement for HM2. The smallest of the bunch. With 1/1.4" size.
Then the last one to replace HM3. Probably between both in size.
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- 05 Aug 2022
unxpctd, 05 Aug 2022If it sounds too good to be true, it's not true.
Pi... more"0.6µm needs to be seen as a BAD thing. Why is Samsung hyping this statistic like it's a transistor size?"
No, more pixels are a good thing, if the image quality doesn't suffer. It depends on the read noise and the 12 megapixel modes might have a similar amount of read noise as 12 megapixel sensors. But yes, I would expect the 200 megapixel mode to be noisier than the 108 megapixel mode due to more read noise.
Though, regarding read noise per pixel , there are tiny improvements over the years and someday the read noise might be nearly zero. Then the number of pixels (or the choice of analog binning) would be basically irrelevant.
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- 05 Aug 2022
Anonymous, 05 Aug 2022"REAL large pixels don't have all these microgaps... moreI want to add that I found the source of the diagram. It's related to a 200 megapixel 0.6 micrometer prototype from Samsung. So this isn't necessarily the sensor of the S23 Ultra.
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- 05 Aug 2022
unxpctd, 05 Aug 2022If it sounds too good to be true, it's not true.
Pi... more"REAL large pixels don't have all these microgaps around them. Those microgaps are where light is lost and detail too."
This is a myth. There are microlenses. Also, larger pixels could also have larger "gaps". Small sensors with small pixels deliver raw files with a similar low light performance as large sensors that have the same megapixel count (large pixels) , if you make sure that the sensor area is exposed to the same amount of light. Small sensors with small pixels can even outperform large sensors with large pixels, if the sensor receives the same amount of light.
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- 05 Aug 2022
I dont understand, do we really need that 108 or 200 MP? Because the size of the photo is so big. Perhaps someone can explain the use of that big MP for general daily use.. tq..
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- 05 Aug 2022
GregLu, 04 Aug 2022And please don't forget to film your video in useless 8K 😂Exactly which will cost even much more Gigs.
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- 05 Aug 2022
unxpctd, 05 Aug 2022If it sounds too good to be true, it's not true.
Pi... moreIt is definitely possible to increase the full well capacity while reducing the pixel area. Even though the new smaller pixels would be noisier for the same exposure time, you could also choose to set the exposure time longer to capture more light and this will in turn make them less noisy. If you did the same with conventional pixels, they would rapidly reach saturation and lose all the useful data.
High resolution quad bayer sensors are less light sensitive than traditional low resolution Bayer counterparts, but the difference in noise level is negligible at this point, and other technologies like DTI and multi native ISO do more than enough to make up for the slight disadvantage in signal to noise ratio.
'REAL' low resolution Bayer sensors, however, cannot switch to high resolution mode to capture more details, and now that's one huge disadvantage for a smartphone camera sensor.
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- 05 Aug 2022
Anonymous, 04 Aug 2022I hate this only talk about cameras.
What about screen q... moreSamsung is copy from Apple and Apple copy from Samsung. vice versa...
My request is SD-card or external card option........ My phone is Note 9 with sd card is worth more than new phones 😂😂😂
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- Anonymous
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- 05 Aug 2022
It looks great but I have a feeling will end up like S20 Ultra..
Will have a lot of problems with the camera department since the sensor is huge..they really need to work on software part too..
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- 05 Aug 2022
Anonymous, 04 Aug 2022I want to add:
If the diagram is correct, then each small ... moreIf it sounds too good to be true, it's not true.
Pixel binning never produces perfectly sized equivalent pixels! Everybody thinks because it's binned, it must be the same. The price for versatility is loss of speed and smaller pixels, even when binned. REAL large pixels don't have all these microgaps around them. Those microgaps are where light is lost and detail too. You can't beat physics.
0.6µm needs to be seen as a BAD thing. Why is Samsung hyping this statistic like it's a transistor size?
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- 04 Aug 2022
AnonD-731363, 04 Aug 2022Yes and will output 50 Megabytes per 200 Mpix photo made, b... moreAnd please don't forget to film your video in useless 8K 😂
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- 04 Aug 2022
I just found the source of the diagram:
"Samsung have developed a prototype 200 Mp image sensor using 0.6μm pixels with a full well capacity (FWC) of 10,000 e- using a dual vertical transfer gate (D-VTG) technology."
semiconductor-digest.com/sony-samsung-toshiba-toppan-have-image-sensor-lidar-papers-at-the-vlsi-symposia-in-june/
But this doesn't mean that this is related to the sensor of the S23 Ultra.
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- 04 Aug 2022
Rareart1, 04 Aug 2022Regarding this headline: YAWN. Personally, want a 3.5 mm ja... moreYawn... "jack demanding" for the 6098776 times...
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- 04 Aug 2022
IpsDisplay, 04 Aug 2022Lmao that pretty much sums up how OLED screens are determin... moreBut other flagships have 10bit, at least 480Hz flickering, few have better brightness uniformity, flat screen (huge bonus), better calibration.
It is nit about being oled, it is samsung choosing peak brightess over other stuff.