Oppo and OnePlus stop sales in Germany after Nokia patent dispute [update: Nokia statement]

09 August 2022
Nokia sued over the licensing of two standard-essential patents. Sales in other countries seem unaffected for now.

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  • 10 Aug 2022

Carol, 09 Aug 2022Woha, so much "inteligence" in one place, almost ... moreROFL. By your logic Nokia doesn't respect patents either since Nokia phones were banned also in Germany over a VoLTE patent dispute with VoiceAgeEVS LLC.

Oh the irony of claiming "innovations" when another patent troll did to Nokia what Nokia is doing to Oppo.

https://www.androidpolice.com/nokia-european-sales/

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    • 10 Aug 2022

    Carol, 09 Aug 2022As far as i know Nokia owned 10% of hmd shares in 2019...Samsung owns AKG and Harmann.
    Still does not have part on what these companies create.

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      • 09 Aug 2022

      Anonymous, 09 Aug 2022Nokia does not make phones. They allow HMD use their name i... moreAs far as i know Nokia owned 10% of hmd shares in 2019...

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        • 09 Aug 2022

        Anonymous, 09 Aug 2022Let's take Volvo into consideration, the founder of th... moreIt is clear to see that you have no idea what hardware, software means and how long it can take and how much money are spend for only resolving a problem. You must probably think everything comes free and software makes itself up. Yet is not like that and sometimes for only resolving a problem nobody could, it can take billions and months of work, so yeah i find it normal that a company that gives answers and resolves problems to also patent their work, even if for some nobodys it seams something outrageous.

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          • 09 Aug 2022

          Anonymous, 09 Aug 2022and yet nokia failed as a company in total. once they were ... moreWoha, so much "inteligence" in one place, almost imposible to resist the urge to slap some words uppon it.
          Nokia does pretty well and also innovate nonstop. Actually they are mostly working with enterprises now after the sale of mobile business. They never sold their patents tough. Patents that were made after investing billions in research, but why would oppo pay for them, right? i mean they alredy stoled almost everything innovation means. The only difference is, they are not able to sell stolen tech outside china, cause some countries respect the owner, isn't that crazy? I mean some innovators are respected outside China. So yeah, oppo mopo and whomever other, should pay. They should actually be glad that they are alowed to use those patents miding the fact that they never invested in anything but cheap labor and reverse engineering. In fact, if a patent would be at the value of 1 euro, i would ask 300€ to be on the sure site, that stolen innovation is not further spreading outside knockoff land.

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            • 09 Aug 2022

            Some people here defend Oppo, but bashe Apple for doing the same.
            LOL !!!

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              • 09 Aug 2022

              Anonymous, 09 Aug 2022and yet nokia failed as a company in total. once they were ... moreNokia does not make phones. They allow HMD use their name in exchange of money.

              NOKIA HAS ZERO PARTICIPATION IN THESE PHONES. MANY OF HMD PHONES ARE ODM.

              Nokia works with telecon, like Ericsson, Huawei and Zte also do.

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                • 09 Aug 2022

                Anonymous, 09 Aug 2022Let's take Volvo into consideration, the founder of th... moreDoes not matter if you consider any patent silly. Nokia owns.
                There is a price. Potential client can pay and use or refise to pay and do not use.
                Simple.

                Sony and Samsung pay Canon to use dual pixel. Money important to allow Canon keep working on more new stuff. Stuff other can later use.

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                  • 09 Aug 2022

                  Nokia yet makes huge money by patent and other networking services which is higher than any potential of these chinese companies.
                  Oppo, vivo, one plus are brand of single parent company , and they just sell smartphone devices and Nokia is a company who allow these small companies to develop these devices on patent of Nokia designs of such devices.

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                    • 09 Aug 2022

                    notafanboy, 09 Aug 2022“Things aren't always what they seem” 😎But they are sometimes what they seem😎😎😎

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                      • 09 Aug 2022

                      notafanboy, 09 Aug 2022“Things aren't always what they seem” 😎So I assume nothing exists because it "seems" that it exists?
                      What a stupid logic

                        Surge, 09 Aug 2022But it seems that you are an oppo fanboy.“Things aren't always what they seem” 😎

                          Anonymous, 09 Aug 2022and yet nokia failed as a company in total. once they were ... moreYour comment show how little you know about Nokia
                          1. Nokia doesnt make lowend phone, in short they dont make anything consumer related nowadays, other Companies Licence Nokia Name, Current Nokia phones are made by HMD.

                          2. Nokia didnt fail as a Company, they are Alive and Healthy, and for few years now they are profitable.

                          3. When Nokia last made Phone no BBK phone was available in market, Nokia sold Device department to Microsoft sep 2013 and First Oppo phone came Dec 2013.

                          Why would Nokia be Jelous of Oppo? Nokia didnt force Oppo to use Nokia Tech, Oppo themselves include Nokia tech in their phones because they are superior to alternative on market, If they remove those tech no one will Bother them.

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                            • 09 Aug 2022

                            Anonymous, 09 Aug 2022and yet nokia failed as a company in total. once they were ... moreYou don't know the difference between HMD global (nokia mobile) and NOKIA this two companies are different. Understand that.

                              Anonymous, 09 Aug 2022and yet nokia failed as a company in total. once they were ... more"and yet nokia failed as a company in total."

                              They haven't failed in total. They make money off other things than phones.

                              "once they were the largest smartphone maker, now nobody talks about them"

                              That's true, but that's because they don't sell phones anymore. A lot of companies were big back then, but they made mistakes and suffered for it. Nokia still owns itself and isn't part of a bigger company. They have other ways of staying alive and making profit.

                              "now nokia lives from some low end devices and patents and cries when other companies use their patents to make some affordable high end smartphones"

                              Nokia doesn't make phones. HMD does. Also, they have the right to charge people to use their patents, that's the whole point of the asset. Learn basic business.

                              "well, if they love their patents so much and if they have invented all the things you mentioned, why do oppo and oneplus have better market shares and better devices overall?"

                              Because Nokia hasn't made devices since 2014. Are you trolling? Oneplus started making devices when Nokia wasn't around and when Nokia hasn't released anything for years. You would expect Nokia's share to decline because they haven't been producing phones for about 7-8 years now.

                              "why does nokia discontinue the permission for using its patents?"

                              Because Oppo is refusing to pay them for their patents. Why isn't Oppo able to pay Nokia if they are doing so well?

                              "there is no advantage for them but still they do it."

                              There is no advantage for them to let them use their patents for free. Do you know what a patent is?

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                                • 09 Aug 2022

                                Hemedans, 09 Aug 2022You know nothing of what Nokia made for phones lol. These a... moreand yet nokia failed as a company in total. once they were the largest smartphone maker, now nobody talks about them. now nokia lives from some low end devices and patents and cries when other companies use their patents to make some affordable high end smartphones. well, if they love their patents so much and if they have invented all the things you mentioned, why do oppo and oneplus have better market shares and better devices overall? why does nokia discontinue the permission for using its patents? there is no advantage for them but still they do it. because they are jealous.

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                                  • 09 Aug 2022

                                  SuuperBaka, 09 Aug 2022Yeah, I know. I was just agreeing with you.Oh sorry

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                                    notafanboy, 09 Aug 2022Not irrelevant at all, you hate Oppo and chose Nokia's... moreBut it seems that you are an oppo fanboy.

                                      Surge, 09 Aug 2022Bruh that's what I said Yeah, I know. I was just agreeing with you.

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                                        • 09 Aug 2022

                                        SuuperBaka, 09 Aug 2022I swear people don't know how patents work. Sure incre... moreBruh that's what I said