Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 coming with 3.7GHz prime core, new CPU clusters

28 April 2023
The new chip, still built on the 4 nm node, will have a 1+5+2 CPU combination.

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SamSux, 04 May 2023It's not really 4nm that's just a marketing term,... moreare you serious? weeks you say? perhaps you mean it to be a keypad phone which doesnt use power extensive apps, yea that will last weeks.
let's be reasonable

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    Upgrade Wi-Fi 7 be.

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      It's not really 4nm that's just a marketing term, but an incremental improvement in efficiency is always welcome. We have enough processing power in our phones, really wish engineers would focus on efficiency instead. We should have phones that last a week on a single charge! That would be a breakthrough.

        Anonymous, 30 Apr 2023I seriously doubt any mobile phone CPU is near close to a l... moreSmartphone chipsets have become very strong, probably more powerful than a high end processor laptop from a few years back (way older than a 2020) but for some heavy stuff they're not up to the task by design.

        ARM and x86 are built different, so the same workload isn't handled equally on both platforms. Yet there has been some breakthroughs. The M1 SoC was a great leap forward for Apple compared to the Intel CPUs they used to put on their Macbooks. Of course the M1 isn't a smartphone chip per se, power draw and thermals are way too much for any phone, but it is closely related.

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          Rrr, 29 Apr 2023All these statements are so not true and not how it works, ... moreMan but is true.
          Feel free to use for example Samsung S2 which is now 10 years old and run candy crus. It wont even install the game maybe by force but it wont even run.
          DSame goes for something less advanced like Facebook or Tik Tok.

            Hamburger, 30 Apr 2023To further clarify, there is no such thing as 0nm. It is l... moreIt's mostly Average Joe Americans who have issues grasping things at small scales (people working in tech already use metric anyway). They still live in world where inch is the smallest measurement unit. They always define really small things in thousands of an inch or millionth of an inch. Meanwhile metric rest of the world knows millimeters, micrometers, nanometers, picometers etc. That's usually the main issue. And those Average Joes were sucked into whole "nanometers" rage for computer components and they just don't seem to understand that things don't end with nanometers and you don't just reach 0 (zero). When we reach "zero", we'll begin to use picometers. Or we'll be forced to use a different fab processes that doesn't rely on silicon as semiconductor. Or even entirely different approach as we do currently using transistors. There are atomic as well as electrical limits to what you can do with transistors, just like everyone dreamed of having 20 GHz processors some day in the future back around 2000's until they realized things can't operate at such clocks because things get weird at that point and they used different approach to scale up performance at lower clocks.

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              Aman, 28 Apr 2023I'm curious what happens after they reach 0 nm manufac... moreTo further clarify, there is no such thing as 0nm. It is like saying is there 0 meters?

              There'll always be 0.00000000000001m, absolute 0 meters doesn't exist. An average atom has radius of 0.1nm, means it is 100picometers. Technology breakthrough could create 800picometer nodes (0.8nm), but the underlying problem is heat, speed and arcing to the next node causing short-circuit.

              IMO the solution is to find a different material to replace silicon for semiconductors, that has the properties of higher conductivity, lower heat, less prone to arcing, and a smaller breakdown voltage to turn on. Imagine instead of the normal 0.65-0.7v threshold voltage to turn on a transistor, the new material needs just 0.25v. To register a "1" state, you just need 0.55v. This saves a lot of power, and can pack more transistors and run higher clocks. For comparison, AMD is going down to 0.98v to register a "1" state.

              We have pretty much hit the wall using silicon going smaller nodes. Next breakthrough is not going smaller, but a new material.

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                Vegetaholic, 29 Apr 2023Should be somewhere close to top laptop CPU's from 202... moreI seriously doubt any mobile phone CPU is near close to a laptop i7 if 2020. It is impossible for me to conceive a phone doing the same tasks a laptop of 2020 does. Maybe for watching some netflix videos, but when it comes to *somewhat* serious work, the performance of phones simply plummits (maybe due to heat management, or maybe this is 100% due to software, mobile OS are very agressive in memory management, or maybe the CPU is just not as fast).

                  Rrr, 29 Apr 2023Subatomic transistors! Wow, you're either great at bre... moreDon't try.
                  People here swallow the CoolAid, then call you dumb for saying something different. We've had internal leaks for some time now, and have a decent idea as to what is coming in Feb 2024. Let's just say it's exciting, and Android Phones will finally catch up to the iPhone 14 Max/A16. The truth is that we were supposed to get it this year, but the struggles at TSMC has meant a delay in their production, and gave Qualcomm an extra year to design their next chipset and stamp out engineering samples. In actuality, the QC 8g2 isn't that very impressive, it only seems like it because we've had mediocre updates for a couple years now.

                  So next year's chip should be the start of the family of chips for next-gen. It's like the 2019 moment with QSD 855 which is still competitive against the 2022 QC 8g1. However, Apple will lead this cadence once again with the A17/iPhone 15 Max at the end of this year, and they will secure their performance lead. That's a good thing, we want competition and progress.

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                    Samuel , 29 Apr 2023Nanometre is a unit of measure of length 1*10-⁹ they will g... moreSubatomic transistors! Wow, you're either great at breaking Physics, or the lack of basic knowledge and simultaneous confidence is astounding!

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                      AnonD-731363, 28 Apr 2023Man believe me but is not. In like 4-5 years will all new u... moreAll these statements are so not true and not how it works, that I don't even know where to begin....

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                        Sono, 28 Apr 2023We need to compare it in relative terms and not in absolute... moreThat assumes the nm number measures some real quantity (that would be transistor distance and thus density) BUT, alas, it absolutely does Not actually measure that, and is (and has been for long now) just marketing.
                        So, no.
                        No improvement of 25% or anything like that. Just the next number in line

                          "Face of Disappointed"

                          Every year. We get new chips. New features, Higher CPU Clockspeeds, better GPU. And yet, the mobile industry is struggling to make 2TB to 8TB internal storage?

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                            Teovipvt99, 29 Apr 2023The weakness for Snapdragon 8 CPUs is CPU cache memory. ... moreI think more realistically...

                            L1 cache 256k
                            L2 cache 4MB
                            L3 cache 12MB

                            Currently the 8G2 has L2 at only 1MB, and L3 at 8MB. No info of L1 size.

                            If Qualcomm can embed ram into the silicon like apple, same 4 channels bit width is 32bit and speed is 5200MT/s. That'll be a real breakthrough, instead of the current minuscule improvement per generation.

                            Just need 4 x A720 cores at 3.3GHz, and 4 x A520 at 2.8GHz. Anyone can do some 4K home videos on the go smoothly using a phone.

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                              Anonymous, 29 Apr 2023L3 cache in Mobile SoC 😆😆😆 Bring it on 👊Oops I forgot to write 40 MB L3

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                                Teovipvt99, 29 Apr 2023The weakness for Snapdragon 8 CPUs is CPU cache memory. ... moreL3 cache in Mobile SoC 😆😆😆

                                Bring it on 👊

                                  The weakness for Snapdragon 8 CPUs is CPU cache memory.

                                  Boosting up to 3.7ghz for overheating but keeping 8MB L3 cache? Ridiculous!!

                                  If 8 gen 3 have :
                                  L1 cache 4MB
                                  L2 cache 16MB
                                  L3 cache 40MB

                                  Then it will be DESTROY Apple A17 easily even if the maxium frequency is just 3.0GHZ

                                    ashrobb, 28 Apr 2023While Samsung node is underwhelming, the architecture of th... moreSnapdragon 808 and 810 comes to mind. They were both fabricated by TSMC, and yet they were both plagued by serious overheating. Some phones even caused bootloop because of it.

                                      I could expect making so powerful chipset to beat 13th-gen Intel i5-1335U processor, but with 6 performance cores, and 2 efficincy cores on it.

                                      What's the point is that, if they put all performance cores on it, including the Cortex-X4 or the Cortex-A720, putting the huge performance at heavy lifting tasks without sacrificing the time taken and heat, with cooling chambers like laptops for example.

                                        Harris, 29 Apr 2023How can you confirm thisBy simply knowing 8gen2 benchmark performance and comparing them with equivalent scores of intel and Nvidia components, simple. Of course we don't know exact 8gen3 performance but by educated guess it would be in line with components I mentioned