The Huawei P70 is rumored to bring a new chipset, the Kirin 9010

10 January 2024
Three years ago there was talk of a Kirin 9010, which was going to be a 3nm chip. It's not clear whether that is still the case.

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Aierlan, 11 Jan 2024In fairness though, they will have higher costs than any ot... moreactually,huawei's r&d is placed in china and china has the cheapest engineers in the world.you can hire 1 german engineer or 3 chinese engineers with the same cost. so,overall chinese phones cost much less than apple and samsung phones. huawei works as a proper smartphone in china so,it is competitive in its homeland as you said. but, it is a crippled device with limited aftersales support anywhere in the world. these cons hamper flagship experience. that's why huawei is not competitive in any other markets with the current prices.

    yalim, 11 Jan 2024huawei flagships are way too expensive. their crippled soft... moreNot in agreement to this because my P40 Pro is walking fluidity.
    On software however, nothing is difficult to about it and patches are releasing every month except delays form your network.

      christfild, 11 Jan 2024firstly, P70 will most likely china exclusive released, unl... moreP60 I believe only American market exclusive!
      Perhaps you're talking about P70 Art🤣

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        Necessity is the mother invention. A few years ago Xiaomi ventured into making/designing their own chip as well and came up with the 28nm Surge S1. That was 2017, and by 2020 the effort was abandoned. Because they didn't need to.

          Aierlan, 11 Jan 2024In fairness though, they will have higher costs than any ot... moreI agree that increased R&D burden does indeed increase the production costs. Nonetheless - in the long run, this may pay off and increase Huaweis margins as they wouldn't need to pay for expensive third party sensors or to pay forsome sorts of licencing fees.
          The key to profitability is scaling up production and sales up to a point where the increased production costs are being "diluted" far enough.
          So, even large one-time investments may save more costs in the long run than staying with established stock-components.

            Two comments on this news:

            1. Notably, the term "7nm", "5nm", or "3nm" has for more than a decade been just marketing language and is not associated with any actual physical paramter such as gate length or gate pitch being a specific amount of nanometers in size.
            So, a process node called "3nm" may comprise various parameters all or none of which would actually need to measure literal 3nm.

            For example: Intel's 10 nm advanced SuperFin process node was named to "Intel 7", despite none of the structures actually measuring 7nm (AFAIK). But it was more efficient than the previous SuperFin node for Intels 10nm IceLake CPUs. So, marketing invented "Intel 7" in order to denote some sort of parity with TSMCs "7nm" process.
            Fun fact: TSMC's process is still heaps and bounds more efficient than Intel's correspondingly named node.

            2. Huawei purpotedly developing own sensors can definitely be a great opportunity in order to tailor sensor designs to specific needs.
            So far, the vast majority of sensors used in cameraphones are from Sony, Samsung and Omnivision - with main differences between cameraphone brands being in the implementation of software processing.

            Now, being able to influence the design of the hardware much better than before means that Huawei's already leading cameras may become even more advanced and provide even better performance than before.
            Please note: This is just a possibility. But given Huawei's track record, I expect an actual further advancement.

              yalim, 11 Jan 2024huawei flagships are way too expensive. their crippled soft... morefirstly, P70 will most likely china exclusive released, unless you are chinese or lived in china, so you shouldnt worry about the software or the prices. and you most likely still wont buy it either even it available at $500. and lastly whatever the price and software buggy like you accused, chinese people still buy it regardless.

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                Vin Aigre, 10 Jan 2024It went from 980 to 990 and then to 9000. It was GeForce 9800, then GeForce GTX 280.

                As they run out of numbers, they changing nomenclature. 9000 series for enthusiast, 8000 series for mainstream, 7000, 6000 etc

                It was Kirin 9000, next generation is Kirin 9010. For mainstream it's Kirin 8000.

                  yalim, 11 Jan 2024huawei flagships are way too expensive. their crippled soft... moreIn fairness though, they will have higher costs than any other phone brand. They have to spend way more on R&D to find workarounds to the restrictions whereas other brands can just buy whichever components they want and pay somebody to assemble them. They still have to make a profit after all that. Of course for people that aren't loyal to the brand there are better value alternatives but they have plenty of demand at the prices they charge in China. I know many a few people in China using the Mate 60 pro and they paid about 20% more than Huawei's retail price to buy the Mate 60 pro. This is because they can't buy it from Huawei for the normal price due to demand and lack of supply so the only way they can purchase is to pay way more than the retail price from third party resellers. Why would they reduce the price under these circumstances? I think they have to focus on the Chinese market first anyway until they can get a steady supply of chips which could still take years. SMIC has very limited capacity to produce these.

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                    Anonymous, 11 Jan 2024Huawei's phone is always too expensive. Like before, t... moreThat's why some people buy the phone after 1 year or 6 months later after the release. Or purchase in sale seasons like Black Friday, Christmas sale, Valentine day and etc

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                      huawei flagships are way too expensive. their crippled software don't work properly due to restrictions. HDR does not work either. these problems result to serious barrier for users. huawei has workarounds but, huawei cannot ask $1000 to a phone unless everything works perfectly out of the box.

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                        Vin Aigre, 10 Jan 2024It went from 980 to 990 and then to 9000. And now: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/30/82/92/3082925d82f8391134e207fbaa9b6261.jpg

                          justasmile, 11 Jan 2024Good, but not when you raise the price to normal flagship&#... moreYou don't need to worry for the price unless you are Chinese. P70 most likely china exclusive and Chinese people will still gonna buy it regrdless.

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                            justasmile, 11 Jan 2024Good, but not when you raise the price to normal flagship&#... moreHuawei's phone is always too expensive. Like before, they are using Snapdragon chipset 1 gen behind other competitors and 4G only, still expensive .

                              Zuzuz, 11 Jan 2024But good enough to do everything elseGood, but not when you raise the price to normal flagship's price.

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                                It's not about the chip, it's all about how software can optimise for the chip even if it's an old chip.

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                                  justasmile, 11 Jan 2024I doubt it can even beat the 8 gen 2.But good enough to do everything else

                                    Limerain, 10 Jan 2024Couldn't Huawei pay another chinese brand like Honor t... moreThe ban affects all companies that do any sort of business with Huawei, so that would effectively force the US to place a ban on Honor as well.

                                      I doubt it can even beat the 8 gen 2.

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                                        Mody4ma, 10 Jan 2024Is there any Chinese manufacturer of chips at all? SMIC

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