Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra camera sensors size revealed
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- 18 Jan 2024
YUKI93, 18 Jan 2024200MP resolution can easily do up to 5x lossless zoom, so r... moreNo, it can't. Keeping the 10 MP 10x camera doesn't make any sense when the 50 MP 5x camera can do the same job better.
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- 18 Jan 2024
Anonymous, 17 Jan 2024🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 , ppl here have zero notion of things. Periscope... moreIf you want to have 3x to 10x lossless zoom quality with no digital zoom in between, then you need to use 8 cameras! So you think using 1 variable telephoto camera that could do 3x to 10x is more expensive and take more space than using 8 telephoto cameras? Also, they need to do something special to make more people buy their phone, and more selling means more revenue, so that could justify using more expensive camera module. You don't need to be a tech geek to understand how companies could make more money and win the competition.
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- 18 Jan 2024
Ivo., 18 Jan 2024Wrong! 4 small pixels binned into 1 big pixel has much less... more"4 small pixels binned into 1 big pixel has much less noise, than if it was just 1 big pixel"
You're ignoring the law of physics lol. If the binned group of 4 smaller pixels and the single large pixels share the same dimensions, then they are theoretically identical in terms of the SNR.
"That's why everybody is using pixel binning now"
No, they are using pixel binning to cram in as many pixels as possible on a sensor while maintaining an option to output a low resolution, low noise image.
"the size of the sensor doesn't matter, what matters is the size of the pixels and the aperture"
And that aperture opening, per field of view, is slightly smaller on the S24 Ultra than on the iPhone 15 Pro Max.
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- 18 Jan 2024
Nick Tegrataker, 18 Jan 2024What determines the amount of noise is largely the aperture... moreWrong! 4 small pixels binned into 1 big pixel has much less noise, than if it was just 1 big pixel! That's why everybody is using pixel binning now - to get rid of the noise! Btw, the size of the sensor doesn't matter, what matters is the size of the pixels and the aperture!
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- 18 Jan 2024
Ivo., 18 Jan 2024Apple can't be less noisy than the 50MP pixel binning ... moreWhat determines the amount of noise is largely the aperture size. iPhone 15 Pro's periscope lens has a larger physical aperture (per field of view) which lets in more light (per field of view). S24U has a larger sensor but its smaller f-stop of its lens means that it will be forced to shoot at higher ISO settings than iPhone's, for the same exposure level and shutter speed, negating any advantage of having a larger sensor to begin with.
Pixel binning allows a high-resolution sensor to act like a low-resolution sensor (Higher SNR, faster readout speed) but a 48MP Quad Bayer sensor in a binning mode wouldn't produce any cleaner image than a 12MP Bayer sensor of the same size.
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- 18 Jan 2024
YUKI93, 18 Jan 2024200MP resolution can easily do up to 5x lossless zoom, so r... moreI totally second this, especially when the 5x zoom camera and the ultrawide camera has the same sensor size. It just doesn't make sense to keep the much smaller 3x zoom canera.
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- 18 Jan 2024
Anonymous, 18 Jan 2024Quadbayer at 12.5MP mode does not grab more light than 50MP... moreIt's not the same - different pixel size, and different aperture! But Samsung has pixel binning for very low noise at night!
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- 18 Jan 2024
Nick Tegrataker, 18 Jan 2024It's not 15%, the difference is less than 6% if you ta... moreApple can't be less noisy than the 50MP pixel binning sensor! It's the pixel binning that takes care of the noise!
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- 18 Jan 2024
YUKI93, 18 Jan 2024" lossless does not exist. Just to fool people. "... moreWhatever you say, it's still not losless.
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Anonymous, 17 Jan 2024You think samsung is going to use duo periscope when does n... moreI want to see progress.
Ohh, people here tried do defence Samsung and wrote about bump.
Okay, we should shame apple about small sensors and small resolution. If apple change modules, Samsung will change them too 😏
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- 18 Jan 2024
sors, 17 Jan 2024They don't need to use duo pricope. Next year, they wo... moreAfter seeing some samples from Xperia 1 V's telephoto zoom camera, I'm fairly convinced that, on a smartphone, the disadvantages of having a "true" optical zoom will outweigh the advantages. The lens design needs to be more complex to accommodate for changes in focal lengths, and it clearly shows in the samples - Mediocre corner sharpness and fuzzy details in general, it never really seems to be that sharp at any focal length. I wish other companies would prove me wrong, but as for now, I'm still very dubious about it.
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- 18 Jan 2024
Ivo., 18 Jan 2024Apple's 1.12 µm pixels with f/2.8 aperture get 15% mor... moreIt's not 15%, the difference is less than 6% if you take the difference in field of view into account. So iPhone 15 Pro Max's 5x tele camera is marginally (pretty much negligible) less noisy than S24 Ultra's 5x tele, but the latter should do a better job at 10x as it keeps more resolution at that magnification.
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Well, nothing special and amazing. My money will go to China this time then. Looks like Sammy is loosing the grip.
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- 18 Jan 2024
YUKI93, 18 Jan 2024" lossless does not exist. Just to fool people. "... moreNokia said it's "oversampling", but given the context, it really is just another way of saying "downsizing", for instance, you can save a 38MP photo in Photoshop at 5MP and get an almost identical-looking image as you do in-camera. Also I wouldn't call it (although I used to say) "lossless" because you're still losing a lot of sensor area, decreasing the SNR as you "zoom" in further even if the final image resolution remains at 5MP.
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- 18 Jan 2024
Anonymous, 18 Jan 2024Dowscaling to 5MP masks it. 38MP at 1x, downscaled to 5... moreYeah, I stopped using the term "lossless" zoom after someone pointed out to me that it's not lossless because it's still throwing away 3/4 of the entire sensor area even though technically the resolution remains comparable. Now I refer to it as "crop" zoom because it really is just, well, zoom done by cropping the image.
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ossie77, 17 Jan 2024So just looking at the hardware alone, the Pixel 8 Pro has ... moreSad but true. Even Chinese giants Vivo and Oppo delivered better hardware this time around.
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- 18 Jan 2024
YUKI93, 18 Jan 2024" lossless does not exist. Just to fool people. "... moreDowscaling to 5MP masks it.
38MP at 1x, downscaled to 5MP.
At 2x, you have 9.5MP, then downscale to 5MP.
You cannot shoot 38mp after digital zoom with it.
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- 18 Jan 2024
Ivo., 18 Jan 2024Apple's 1.12 µm pixels with f/2.8 aperture get 15% mor... moreQuadbayer at 12.5MP mode does not grab more light than 50MP mode.
Just different readout mode.
Same sensor = same amount of light absorbed.
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- 18 Jan 2024
Anonymous, 18 Jan 20241) lossless does not exist. Just to fool people. You can ... more" lossless does not exist. Just to fool people. "
Nokia-Microsoft PureView algorithm enters the chat. That is a genuine oversampling technique that gives true lossless zoom without resorting to colour array rearrangement, unlike today's Quad/Nona Bayer camera sensors.