vivo X100 Ultra gets certified ahead of possible May unveiling
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- DangerousDroid
- 6mc
- 27 Apr 2024
People talking about software support yet they change ultra every year lmao!
- David 040882
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- 27 Apr 2024
Anonymous, 27 Apr 2024nah, samsung can't even get their face unlock algorith... moreYeah, I guess I would have the same reaction. But still, everyone's got preferences and it's indeed a subjective talking point
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- Anonymous
- nDD
- 27 Apr 2024
David 040882, 27 Apr 2024In many aspects, but not all of them. And as the better-rou... morenah, samsung can't even get their face unlock algorithm right, or to keep screen ON while looking at it, there are others but these 2 things alone bothered me so much on samsung and thought it was normal until I tried a huawei and now vivo seems to be on the same page.
Also after using their cameras or their 4x bigger fingerprint sensor, you really think I wanna go backwards to samsung? no f way
- CamoGeko-XDA
- ABG
- 27 Apr 2024
Vivo has been killing it with the camera phones lately, pretty much like all of the Chinese manufacturers.
- David 040882
- p3x
- 27 Apr 2024
jiyen235, 27 Apr 2024yeah your whole point is that software updates are going to... moreYeah, I get your point. Kind of hard to continue the conversation here like this, through a plethora of paragraphs, so I'll leave it here. But yeah, good point.
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- jiyen235
- XQQ
- 27 Apr 2024
David 040882, 27 Apr 2024"So, the "average user" doesn't need a ... moreyeah your whole point is that software updates are going to be the key differentiator and my point was that if you ignore it and look at all the other variables only the camera and some other niche differences separate the phones properly. Anyways, you're assuming that Samsung is going to be more reliable, Samsung's update speed is reliable, not their updates themselves. Both Vivo and Samsung can brick their phones but you won't be free from the fear of that from either brand. Just because Samsung gets an update faster doesn't make it more reliable, it makes Samsung faster to fix their own problems.
So at the end of the day, if both manufacturers can put out updates that mess up their phone then why wouldn't I choose the one with the better cameras? Faster fixes for messes that the manufacturer makes is just like stabbing someone and then taking them to the hospital and acting like you're a messiah for that. I hope I get the point across and I do understand your point of wanting fast updates but it's not a primary concern nowadays at least. And besides, no one besides camera-centric enthusiasts would be looking at the Vivo, the average person would be looking at either the S24 Ultra or the 15 Pro Max, dunno why you keep bringing up a random average person or a random friend. Hope you get me but if you like Samsung you do you man, just saying their pros aren't good enough for the vast majority of people and enthusiasts simply care about other more important things. For example back during the X80 Pro days the X80 Pro had far inferior zooming than Samsung's S22 Ultra so I chose that. If the Vivo had better cameras I'd have gone for that because nothing huge was separating them imo at least.
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- Nick Tegrataker
- Xp6
- 27 Apr 2024
WhoCaresTM, 27 Apr 2024Bruh, you can't argue with these people. They buy grea... moreAds on Xiaomi phones are region and device-dependent (Lowest end models have ads displayed by default, although you can turn them off) - Where I live I don't get a single ad on my Redmi Note 13 Pro, and that's not even their flagship.
- notafanboy
- pXR
- 27 Apr 2024
WhoCaresTM, 27 Apr 2024Bruh, you can't argue with these people. They buy grea... moreWhy are you spreading fake news? Only some regions' Xiaomi phones have ads. And even then you can fully disable them. So what's the problem exactly?
- David 040882
- spY
- 27 Apr 2024
jiyen235, 27 Apr 2024If you ignore the software update situation, no company is ... more"So, the "average user" doesn't need a Samsung Ultra, they need an Apple iPhone. Because it's the most balanced phone and the iOS system is a good pro."
I agree somewhat, but the discussion was about vivo's software and Samsung's software; iOS wasn't in the picture
"So reliability isn't an issue nowadays because honestly, no tech company is properly reliable. Nearly all phones have something wrong at launch in software..."
Yeah, true. No software is perfect on no phone, but that doesn't stop the fact that some softwares are simply better than others, in this case Samsung's is more reliable than vivo's. That doesn't mean that it's going to be absolutely perfect, no issues whatsoever. It's simply going to be a slightly better experience, or better said, since this was the main discussion point, it's going to get more timely updates and overall better and lengthier support. If someone would come to me and ask, "Hey I'm thinking on getting the vivo X100 Pro or the S24 Ultra. Which one is the better-rounded overall package?" I would say the Samsung is. If he would say that he wants the cameras to be better/are his main priority, then I would say the vivo. But as an OVERALL package, keeping in mind the software and all related to it too, then I would recommend the Samsung.
"Quite happy with the software now but that's it, no need for faster updates because the smartphone market has matured quite a lot in the past 5 years."
And yet, issues in the software will keep appearing and there's still going to be need for updates for as long as smartphones will be a thing. And the 'faster' the updates, then the better
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- Manohar
- CbI
- 27 Apr 2024
Have they dropped Carl Zeiss lens???
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- MiksuMasterJBL
- mW0
- 27 Apr 2024
The sattelite phones don't even work in Finland.
But I need maximum storrage, ram and best version of the phone.
So will see.
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- jiyen235
- XQQ
- 27 Apr 2024
WhoCaresTM, 27 Apr 2024Bruh, you can't argue with these people. They buy grea... more"also no freakin' ads on flagship phones"
Have you ever used a Samsung flagship or phone in the past decade? Samsung has Bixby, Samsung Internet, Samsung Store and countless other things. Did you know you couldn't add Google Discover? You had to sit through Samsung's one which was laggy af and I turned it off immediately. And EVEN with Google, you get ads. So what's your point? In every part of the phone you get Samsung begging you to make an account, ok i made the account then they want you to use Samsung Internet, I say no and they keep shoving it to me. I try to ignore it now. Then onto the Samsung Store. I had ads/"Promotions" coming up on my notifications till OneUI 6.0 dropped. For 1-ish year I had ads on my phone, not knowing how to turn it off/not bothered too much by it to turn it off. However it did annoy me whenever I thought about how I spent so much yet still got ads. Whenever you go to the Samsung Store to update some Samsung apps, you get a pop-up for promotions, I have to be extra careful now so that I don't mistakenly get swooped back into those ad-filled days.
So please, stop your mindless hate. If you haven't seen any ads in your Samsung flagship, if you use one, why would someone else see it on another phone? It'd just be normal for them just like you and others think. And if it's an enthusiast like a person who uses the 14 Ultra, they'd be savvy enough to turn it off or use other apps, as simple as that.
I truly don't understand how you can be this hateful over other companies for something your favorite companies do all the time. Imagine watching a shill like Mrwhosetheboss's vid and just being drowned in the Samsung/Apple propaganda. Good job!
I use an S22 Ultra btw and have used it for nearly 2 years now.
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- jiyen235
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- 27 Apr 2024
David 040882, 27 Apr 2024Samsung's software has better software support and it ... moreIf you ignore the software update situation, no company is indefinitely better than the other in any one whole way, unless you start going into nitty gritty stuff like customizable default keyboards, fingerprint animations, AI picture manipulation, etc. For the "average" user as you state, apart from the iOS, no software skin is/should in theory, be a huge differentiator. I use a Samsung flagship, have tried an iPhone 14 Pro Max and a Google Pixel 7 and honestly, apart from the looks they aren't that different unless you NEED some specific niche feature. Apart from preferences, the key differentiator for my family members was brand value (how others would perceive them with their phone/how much they like the brand) and the need for only something that gets the job done for the most part. So, the "average user" doesn't need a Samsung Ultra, they need an Apple iPhone. Because it's the most balanced phone and the iOS system is a good pro.
No one except for people like me and my family members who've had problems with the software want fast and quick updates. When a family member got a Pixel 6, they liked the fast updates and the bug fixes because it improved their experience but what if they got the polished experience right out of the box just like most phone manufacturers can provide nowadays? Well then you only have a very small number of people who obsess over each new feature announced and/or need the security updates for "safety".
I used my S22 Ultra for nearly 2 years and if I had the software I have now, I wouldn't ask for fast updates but oh boy it was bad at start, laggy and glitchy and not that polished. Quite happy with the software now but that's it, no need for faster updates because the smartphone market has matured quite a lot in the past 5 years.
I don't know how the Samsung is going to be more reliable, there's nothing to prove other brands are far worse off except for maybe Xiaomi who are notoriously known for their buggy software/updates which bring bugs. I've faced bugs on my own phone as well a lot of times and still do, I notice cus I'm a tech nerd, an average person won't. So reliability isn't an issue nowadays because honestly, no tech company is properly reliable. Nearly all phones have something wrong at launch in software, be it camera (nearly all phones), battery (iPhones and Pixel), glitchiness or performance. The problem you mentioned about the Vivo might be an isolated incident involving an unlucky customer, there are plenty of iPhone users who bricked their phones with updates, some Samsung users who have green line issues after updates, so? Yes Samsung in some countries provides replacements but why should someone go through that in the first place? Shouldn't it be "reliable"? See how your reliability argument is something that no company can properly fight against?
So, TL;DR, apart from personal preference for a particular brand or the software, the key differences lie in the hardware, for example the battery, the camera, the display, etc. The average consumer doesn't care about these, they want only the brand they want, they would've bought the iPhone 15 for 15 Pro Max price if it were the case. Reliability is an illusion in everyone's head, all phones are great nowadays and have similar reliability fears, just like all tech products, nothing new.
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- jiyen235
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- 27 Apr 2024
Eno2, 27 Apr 2024"a 100mm (4.3x) 200 MP periscope telephoto" can t... morepretty sure just like the Honor, it's going to result in a decent enough 2x crop and anything more is just going to be dependent on the software processing and since it's Vivo, I'm thinking 10x-20x is going to be respectable quality. Hope they can optimize it enough to at the very least match Samsung's 10x video quality, their photo quality is better on the X100 Pro already, just the video needs to be better in the super extended zoom range.
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- WhoCaresTM
- 0mU
- 27 Apr 2024
David 040882, 27 Apr 2024And Samsung doesn't have everything you need for a pho... moreBruh, you can't argue with these people. They buy great hardware with garbage software and support, and then think they're Elon Musk.
Fact of the matter is, people care about software more than hardware, not just longevity and support but also no freakin' ads on flagship phones and no bugs. If people cared more about hardware than software Nokia would still be running Symbian OS and be the top dog of phones.
Chinese phones just can't deliver on this front. Imagine shelling out for a Xiaomi 14 Ultra and then get ads on every corner of the device smh.
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- Must400
- 3Q%
- 27 Apr 2024
David 040882, 27 Apr 2024And Samsung doesn't have everything you need for a pho... moreMost people comment on this, that's why i brought it up, despite that since myself i'm more camera-focused, the vivo is by far the best cameraphone i had.
Photos come all perfect, not that i can say that of samsung, though they made good photos in bright daylight, when overcast, low lit situations or at night there is no comparison, vivo just blows it, and the Zeiss optics do really play a big role here, lens flare is almost non existent ( unlike iphones, less noticeable but there in samsung ), i am not marrying with vivo by any means but camera-wise they are the best ATM.
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- Tech Guy
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- 27 Apr 2024
X110 Ultra should upgrade it to 200W like X90 Pro Plus
& Battery to 6000mAh to make it distinct among Flagships
- David 040882
- spY
- 27 Apr 2024
Must400, 27 Apr 2024I have to say that, despite samsung having sort of better s... moreAnd Samsung doesn't have everything you need for a phone functioning as it must? I never said vivo phones were lackluster on a certain department, not even software/software support. Just said they're not the best in that category, making them sit a tier below other companies who also offer excellent software support on top of great hardware
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- Must400
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- 27 Apr 2024
David 040882, 27 Apr 2024In many aspects, but not all of them. And as the better-rou... moreI have to say that, despite samsung having sort of better software ( sort of ) i have to say that vivo has everything you might actually need from a phone functioning as it must.
Cameras are way ahead of samsung, except zoom lenses, the rest vivo just crushes them up pretty hard, and i had both devices.