Newly leaked Sony teaser says "next 1 is coming"

10 May 2024
The official launch event is taking place on May 15.

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Since Sony sells fewer mobiles (in Japan, how many manufacturers are left in the country, 3?) it is perhaps better that it makes fewer different models (2, 3 are enough). I don't live there but I wonder if Ace IV is finally canceled. And what do you think for the next Pro? Also canceled like the 5 serie?

    Nick Tegrataker, 11 May 2024Nice video but it's not a piece of good evidence to su... moreSorry man but that photo from PURA70 looks like computer generated. You dont see that?
    My point is that mostly all telephoto lenses in all smartphones are usless. Only in video I can use that to create something that looks PRO.
    PS And man... tons of sharpering is applied on that PURA photo, not on Xperia photo. Clouds on Pura looks like from photoshop.

      YUKI93, 11 May 2024Really looking forward to this new upgrade. I thought 3.5x-... more"I still find it ironic that pretty much nobody still copied this idea. I don't see any downside to this idea"

      It's a lot harder to get an optically zooming lens done right than a prime lens - Zoom lenses are usually softer (especially when they zoom into their long ends), and have far more complex optical constructions which add to cost and yield rate issues. Other manufacturers most likely won't release their own adaptation of this idea until they are really sure it provides a substantial benefit over simply putting a large, high-resolution sensor behind a sharper prime lens like they always have been.

        Really looking forward to this new upgrade. I thought 3.5x-5.2x variable zoom is already wild enough, but Sony keeps on surprising the field. Here's the thing though: I still find it ironic that pretty much nobody still copied this idea. I don't see any downside to this idea as you get the same photo quality across the zoom range. All we need to see is one with larger sensor size and Megapixel count, that's all. The idea and the execution is already there.

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          NeonHD, 11 May 2024I agree with most of what you said. Though I think it would... morelove it

            jiyen235, 11 May 2024>Ergonomics over small sensor size increase >most us... moreDoesn't Sony though use a 2-layer transistor pixel technology in these sensors (at least on their last flagship)? I don't know if it works as claimed but in theory the sensors with this tech are supposed to perform like much larger sensors. These sensors are also very expensive. Agree though their flagships are quite expensive and niche. They probably never intend to sell a lot. It's kind of a niche enthusiast brand for those who want something a bit different from the rest

              Anonymous, 11 May 2024All phones with 1" sensor has huge camera bumps. Most ... moreI actually both agree and disagree with this. I've always hated thick camera bumps. But at the same time if I was serious with phone photography, I definitely think the compromise between bigger sensor size and a thicker bump would be worth the trade-off.

              But considering I already own a $1400 mirrorless camera that I love to shoot with, I think I'd ultimately go with a more slimmer phone without a 1" sensor.

                jiyen235, 11 May 2024>Ergonomics over small sensor size increase >most us... moreI agree with most of what you said. Though I think it wouldn't be fair to say Xperia cameras are worse than the competition, they're just behind in terms of sensor size. I think the best use with Sony phones isn't photography but rather videography.

                  Anonymous, 11 May 2024All phones with 1" sensor has huge camera bumps. Most ... more>Ergonomics over small sensor size increase
                  >most users

                  Are you even being serious or is this a joke? Sony phones are NICHE phones, they have niche features like micro sd card slot and a headphone jack. They're not meant for "Most users", they want to cater to a small part of the market.

                  How is the jump from 1/1.4" to 1 inch "small"?? Have you even seen the difference it makes? The difference from 1/1.56" to 1/1.43" is big enough so the jump from that to 1 inch is massive ESPECIALLY if the aperture is super bright like Xiaomi or even bright enough like Vivo and Oppo.

                  You use an S23 Ultra, you use an average flagship phone. That's completely fine. And you don't crave a 1 incher that's why you use that phone. But there's a different market for people who crave more, enthusiasts yk? People who actually understand the difference between these stuff and care about it.

                  I want to buy a Sony phone but their terribly outdated specs make me stop. The Oneplus 12 has a similar sized main cam, a similar sized UW cam and a far bigger zoom cam albeit with shorter native focal length. I can just buy that phone and use the pro mode with RAW output for similar results. Better lens can only help you get better than the competition when your sensors are on par, the Xperia 1 series can only hang in there because everyone likes its minimalist processing, which I feel is just slight touch ups from a Pro Mode shot so is just unnecessarily minimalistic. The shots look nice though there's that but I can get similar results if I used the Pro Mode, excluding some HDR stuff ofc.

                  I think I'll have to buy an iPhone at this rate, android manufacturers are so slow to improve on the global front, APPLE has a bigger main cam than Sony. Let that sink in. Xiaomi, Oppo and Vivo are great and all but global availability is not good and Huawei has no google services so that's a nope from me. Feels like we're in the dark times.

                    LucasN82, 11 May 2024Show me some photos from a flagship with a telephoto lens t... morehttps://twitter.com/chehonz201/status/1788480586744799527
                    https://twitter.com/Logkazu/status/1788785859996868651
                    https://twitter.com/Frankforphones/status/1786289142504276100
                    https://twitter.com/kazuyuki7009/status/1789046907886858486
                    https://twitter.com/aoyama55555/status/1788464190010855477

                    I don't know what kind of photos entertains you but Xiaomi 14 Ultra's telephoto lenses certainly seem fun - Both 3x and 5x lenses are very sharp across the frame, and the former has a very nice circular bokeh for a phone (Close minimum focusing distance and lack of rectangular prism that distorts the bokeh). Leica Authentic mode really dials down on sharpening which makes them look less harsh on eyes. Obviously not a completely flawless camera setup, because no phone really has one, but I do appreciate the spirit behind it.

                      Anonymous, 11 May 2024Type 1.0 - it is not exmor T. - readout is too slow ... more>Exmor T
                      just a marketing gimmick
                      >Readout too slow
                      proof??? You just spout random specs.

                      >cam bump would be big

                      Who cares about the camera bump if you get an actually good product? Like seriously, everyone says "Sony is for enthusiasts" but you're worried about something so minute as a camera bump? Sony can't get their cooling right without huge sensors, I'm pretty sure their phones would combust after one photo if they had the same optics as the Find X7 Ultra. Maybe doing all of that R&D was something Sony couldn't be ars*d to do.

                        LucasN82, 11 May 2024So comparing brightness and expecting that Sony will fit an... morewhy are you being so aggressive over something so minute? I just wish for Sony to get better. You're as reluctant to listen to criticism as any Samsung or Apple fanboy.

                        You could've just said it's not possible to fit that at the start. I don't expect Sony to do black magic such as such a bright aperture in this small body but I do expect them to provide something that's worth the money, which currently the Sony is not and feels like it will continue.

                          I think the problem with Sony on smartphone are that they often show up a new Phone. But then you are not able to buy one until 2 or 3 months later. The initial hype has gone.
                          Their distribution is not good either. Very few markets etc..

                            Anonymous, 11 May 2024Gsmarena : there is no sharpening You: sony puts lots of... moreIf you can't see the amount of sharpening applied to these photos from Xperia, I seriously believe you need to have professional help. It's been quite hard to talk to someone who has zero comprehension skills, zero photographic knowledge (Yes I can guarantee you that you have none), and no eyes to inspect the photos correctly or reach a correct conclusion what. So. Ever.

                            Xperia 1 V (85mm and 125mm):
                            https://fdn.gsmarena.com/imgroot/reviews/23/sony-xperia-1-v/camera/gsmarena_067.jpg
                            https://fdn.gsmarena.com/imgroot/reviews/23/sony-xperia-1-v/camera/gsmarena_087.jpg
                            Pura 70 Ultra (90mm):
                            https://fdn.gsmarena.com/imgroot/reviews/24/huawei-pura-70-ultra-hands-on/camera/gsmarena_059.jpg

                            Before spewing crap like "But the reviewer A said bruh bruh bruh" please spend 30 seconds of your life to inspect the goddamn samples by yourself and check whether that reviewer is reaching a correct conclusion or not. Always assume that they are making some sort of error in their assessment, never let them choke you with whatever information they try to feed in your mouth.

                            If you don't own any photographic gear, don't know what you're talking about regarding photography, nor can't be even remotely bothered to open up the full-res samples on your monitor, then stop wasting time on contaminating the comment section with your BS. You're obviously not qualified to talk about anything regarding this topic.

                            "They updated review couple months after and samples were better. There is no hardware issue"
                            Not true. That was the case with Xperia 1 IV but I'm referring to the samples of Xperia 1 V.

                              Anonymous, 11 May 2024Sony should have used exmor T on periscope. A 1/2.9"... moreNow wait till we get Exmor T on Oppo's 2.8× periscopes that use a 1/1.56"-type sensor. The result would just be nuts.

                                LucasN82, 11 May 2024Second sample is recorded on 85mm. Set brightness (the best... moreNice video but it's not a piece of good evidence to support your point to begin with, given the fact that:
                                1) You're focusing up close and creating a rather shallow depth of field, which obfuscates how much details it can resolve at infinity
                                2) YouTube compression means the finest details are getting mushed together
                                3) The footage does still look quite sharpened up, just like the JPEG coming out of the same phone
                                4) You haven't compared it to any other phones in the same scene

                                Xperia 1 V (85mm and 125mm):
                                https://fdn.gsmarena.com/imgroot/reviews/23/sony-xperia-1-v/camera/gsmarena_067.jpg
                                https://fdn.gsmarena.com/imgroot/reviews/23/sony-xperia-1-v/camera/gsmarena_087.jpg
                                Pura 70 Ultra (90mm):
                                https://fdn.gsmarena.com/imgroot/reviews/24/huawei-pura-70-ultra-hands-on/camera/gsmarena_059.jpg

                                Ignore the difference in the weather conditions as well as tone mapping applied to these photos, but focus on how well tile patterns are retained on these building roofs. The difference is literally night and day.

                                  Nick Tegrataker, 11 May 2024Yeah, and I'm talking about photo quality and even com... moreShow me some photos from a flagship with a telephoto lens that will impress me.
                                  SEL70200GM was lens that impress me with Alpha9

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                                    Nick Tegrataker, 11 May 2024The telephoto lens on Xperia 1 V wasn't sharp - It was... moreGsmarena : there is no sharpening
                                    You: sony puts lots of sharpening

                                    How is it possible? Funny part is photography websites agree with this website.

                                    Software cannot correct lens issues. They updated review couple months after and samples were better. There is no hardware issue.

                                    Obviously, any zoom lens is better at short end.

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                                      jiyen235, 10 May 2024why are Sony so cheap so as to not offer neither a one inch... moreAll phones with 1" sensor has huge camera bumps. Most smartphone users prefer better ergonomics over a small sensor size increase. Already these 1/1.3" and 1/1.4" sensors have great lowlight ability. I've never craved a 1-inch sensor in my S23 Ultra.

                                      My Sony RX100 mark4 has a 1-inch sensor with variable zoom 24-70mm and true Zeiss image quality. Will beat any smartphone for years to come still.

                                      If Sony can bring a 85-170mm continuous variable zoom, that's in some ways better than any other phone. Remember S24 Ultra still has 3x zoom lens with only 10MP. Zooming to 4x will give you what? 5MP at most. Going above 5x with S24 Ultra can probably give same detail as Sony 7x with 12MP. My biggest complaint about new Sony tele would be 85mm is too high starting-point. It would be better with 70-150mm than 85-170mm. But perhaps they are looking to become long-zoom kings?

                                      Another crucial point for Sony is to offer a good 2x zoom. 48mm lens is very useful if it gives sharp output (if a simple digital zoom, it's just crap). By far the 2x quality is the biggest upgrade for me going from vanilla S22 to S23 Ultra. It's cool to have 10x also but I would say high-quality 2x is more useful in day-to-day shooting.

                                        LucasN82, 11 May 2024I say.. 4K videos. And I know what Im sayin'Yeah, and I'm talking about photo quality and even compared it to another phone which performs significantly better. You can check the samples yourself, I don't think there's any room for argument regarding this topic.

                                        It's fine that you think it's good enough for video recording, but I don't hold the same standard. It definitely can be sharper because the photos coming out of Xperia 1 V's telephoto camera clearly have a typical "We maxed out the sharpness slider to max to hide the fact that our optics aren't great" look.

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