Samsung is reportedly working on a 2nm node for the Exynos 2600

22 May 2024
The Exynos 2500 for next year's flagships will be produced on Samsung's 3nm Gate All Around node.

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  • Anonymous
  • sgj
  • 02 Jun 2024

It's all speculation.
Hardly believe QC would still be on 4nm for gen4, it's an awesome amazing process but it's not ahead anymore.

About Samsung process, easy to see how Qualcomm hesitating. Samsung promised and promised again and never delivered. Even Intel have to outsource part of its fab to TSMC.

Hopefully they'd keep their promise for 2025 but right now the selling price of s24 Exynos is just insane. Who can buy that really... The only reason I see for extonos is they'd be an interesting cheap alternztive, but even there they have mtk as competitor.

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    • Yop
    • K1L
    • 28 May 2024

    Can’t wait for 0 nM node 😂

      Samsung 3nm node similar to TSMC 6nm node

        Hemedans, 24 May 2024It's 28 min video can you timestamp or tell me specifi... moreThe timestamp is already in the link I posted, just click it or copy it and it will redirect to the comparison.

          ashrobb, 24 May 2024Efficiency was similar at low frequencies, that's not ... moreIt's 28 min video can you timestamp or tell me specific time of that video? And as I said before no geekbench because A9 has been tested by lot of independent reviewer and only Geekbench showed that huge difference, all other benchmarks couldn't replicate same score as Geekbench.

          For example Tom's hardware didn't use Geekbench battery life test and instead used basemark, Gfxbench and other benchmarks their conclusion Samsung one was more efficient.

          https://www.tomshardware.com/news/iphone-6s-a9-samsung-vs-tsmc,30306.html

          Apart from A9 I mentioned lot of soc, when sd 625 came out nothing out there could match it's battery life, Helio P20 was made by Tsmc 16nm even though it was clocked higher it couldn't match sd 625 perfomance and lose all time in battery life.

          Not just that sd 835 was first flagship soc to start reaching 3 digits figure in battery life phones like Xperia Z compact, galaxy S6 active etc posted battery life numbers which can be considered good even today, nothing from Tsmc even midrange could do that.

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            • TobbY
            • mDP
            • 24 May 2024

            Amazing how technology improves every year.
            I thought that at some point the quantum physics would prevent things to become smaller, but i was wrong...no limits !
            I wish i could be alive in a hundred years to see the state of technology.

              Hemedans, 24 May 2024Haven't seen that video, but at that time of A9 only G... moreEfficiency was similar at low frequencies, that's not difficult to achieve, but the Samsung one can take almost twice the power at full loads. It's insane https://youtu.be/FwCIsBSUSNw?t=720
              20nm TSMC definitely lost to Samsung's 14nm, but once TSMC introduced FinFET with 16nm the tables turned.

                its a smurf, 24 May 2024The most obvious downside is production cost/coomplexity. I... moreYeah I think so .. so there is no cons or harm to go to even pikometres after 1nm..

                  Enceladus, 24 May 2024It's a marketing term. 45nm is the reality.what u mean?

                    ashrobb, 24 May 2024Funny stuff you're writing, because in the recent, com... moreHaven't seen that video, but at that time of A9 only Geekbench had massive difference between those two soc, others not much difference it was between 2-3% which was meaningless.

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                      • Anonymous
                      • 7kp
                      • 24 May 2024

                      Poster, 24 May 2024Imagine they nearly coming to 1nm .. insane.. I am so surp... moretarget is 0nm

                        Poster, 24 May 2024Imagine they nearly coming to 1nm .. insane.. I am so surp... moreIt's a marketing term. 45nm is the reality.

                          Poster, 24 May 2024Imagine they nearly coming to 1nm .. insane.. I am so surp... moreThe most obvious downside is production cost/coomplexity. Idk about lifespan..i mean computers had 32mm like 10 years ago. And comparing those to the 4mm ones we dont see any difference to their lifespan so i (hope) the same applies here too.

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                            • Anonymous
                            • JHw
                            • 24 May 2024

                            Well, it is nice to see technological progress but eventually I don't know what we need it for. Talking about phones, they aren't doing anything today that they haven't been doing for the past ten years because there is nothing important to add:

                            -calls/sms
                            -internet surfing
                            -selfie posts on social media because of inferiority complex
                            -taking photos

                            The only thing that can be improved is taking photos because there are dslr cameras that determine the state-of-the-art level of technology and image quality. Other than that there is nothing to improve.

                            The only thing that increases is the price, the amount of power-hungry backround espionage software and pseudo-innovation under the name of AI.

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                              • Anonymous
                              • pwt
                              • 24 May 2024

                              Nodes are not comparable between different manufactures. 3nm aren't 3nm because the way of measurement differs a lot between the different manufactures. Good example here are the Intel nodes.

                                Anonymous, 23 May 2024Surely QC ain't using the Samsung foundry for 8 Gen 4.... moreIf I worked at Qualcomm I would for every generation put out news that we're going with Samsung fab. This because I want to negotiate a better deal for the chips.

                                If you know in advance that it can only be TSMC you'll likely get a bad deal. Good chips but no profit is not acceptable in order to stay in business.

                                  Hemedans, 24 May 2024Exynos continue to be better untill sd 845 era, just go Ana... moreFunny stuff you're writing, because in the recent, comprehensive video test made by Geekerwan about how awful the Snapdragon 810 was, they also tested the Apple A9, which used both Samsung 14nm and TSMC 16nm, and the latter one was consistently better in efficiency.

                                    Anonymous, 24 May 2024Same music each year, promising tensynos greatness and noth... moreIt's like a sales pitch to investors. 😁

                                      Imagine they nearly coming to 1nm .. insane.. I am so surprised that such small nm can whistand electricity and work.. or reducing nanometres in chips pros are power efficiency and performance increase ? But what is downside ? Life span?

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                                        • Anonymous
                                        • d%{
                                        • 24 May 2024

                                        Is samsung ditching small in-order cores with exynos 2600 just like mediatek did with dimensity 9300 and qualcomm will do with snapdragon 8 gen 4? If not I don't see them competing that seriously even with newer node.

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