Huawei develops new energy-efficient Taishan cores

28 June 2024
Huawei's upcoming architecture might challenge Apple's M3 processors.

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YMMP, 01 Jul 2024You mean stop stealing Western Tech?taiwanese chips are western?

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    user, 28 Jun 2024Sanctions motivate China to develop and become independent ... moreYou mean stop stealing Western Tech?

      Anonymous, 01 Jul 2024Qualcomm still can't get their pc chips right after al... moreNot just them, 8cx gen 3 was also mediocre, so Any Arm cpu as of now will have hard time competing with X86. I heared A725 is good, we have to see it, Arm don't have to match Apple just something nice which can do basic tasks and use around 05-1W then they will give X86 hard time.

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        Hemedans, 01 Jul 2024Man you don't get the point at all, M3 is better becau... moreQualcomm still can't get their pc chips right after all these years of trying. It's just sad. If it wasn't for their monopoly on windows for arm chips, they would have been forced out of the market a long time ago.

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          Anonymous, 01 Jul 2024Yes that's called market damping and it's sponsor... morehttps://www.reuters.com/business/energy/china-solar-industry-faces-shakeout-rock-bottom-prices-persist-2024-04-03/

          Chinese solar panels are still cheap and supply is still plentiful.

          It's the tariffs placed on Chinese solar panels by Western countries that are driving up prices for you.

            TechJocky, 01 Jul 202423w is its top tdp before the tjunction kicks out. Why woul... moreMan you don't get the point at all, M3 is better because it has better E cores like I said plenty of times before, it has far better battery life Than any pc out there at low load, you can find Fanless laptop with Apple M series or even Ipad, why there is no Fanless Snapdragon X? Because its not good cpu at low load and use more power, just check battery life figures of X elite, it's barely better than Intel and Amd last generation Cpu, Why X Elite can't pelroduce Macbook number in battery life? Because it doesn't have any efficient cores. Which come to Our Topic here Huawei is working with Taishan efficient core, that's future, without it you can't compete, Even Intel is doing wonders with Skymont and I won't be suprised if Lunar lake beat snapdragon X in low load efficiency.


              Hemedans, 30 Jun 2024Typical laptop battery is 40-80Wh 23W is less than 4 hours ... more23w is its top tdp before the tjunction kicks out. Why would anyone use 23w workloads all the time? It's not like m3 is any less. It's a laptop, not a mobile phone.

              And you're not getting my point again.

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                Xion, 29 Jun 2024Visit china for once in your life time. Even their wechat(a... moreYes that's called market damping and it's sponsored by Chinese state, once they grab majority of the market with damped prices they start to increase the price over the time. World fell for it once with solar panels and it will never fall for it again.

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                  Anders, 30 Jun 2024https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in... moreLike I said, stop being a tool. The site you linked showed companies unwilling to submit to China's laws therefore they are not allowed to operate there.

                  That's totally different from USA unilaterally sanctioning a company like Huawei that followed all the rules to operate in USA. Yes, in case you forgot, Huawei was officially selling phones through carriers in USA before the sanction.

                    TechJocky, 30 Jun 2024I didn't talk about the benchmark system but about the... moreTypical laptop battery is 40-80Wh 23W is less than 4 hours battery life, Even intel and Amd are competitive at 23W, we are talking about Efficient cores here, something which run at sub watt.

                    Also Spec isn't geekbench never heared one soc have advantage because of accelerators.

                      Hemedans, 30 Jun 2024That's Spec2017 industry standard, and the test is jus... moreI didn't talk about the benchmark system but about the test environment from which Apple SoC would benefit. It's like Apple would do better in photo or video editing. It's their sweet spot for best best-case scenario. Then why would reviewers talk against it? If we talk about programs like hardware acceleration, 3d engine simulation, real-time VM simulation, and running engineering tools, in these areas m series won't even be able to run. SD X elite 23w mode is extremely efficient with dual-core power boost and can compete with m3 well.

                        Lb7500, 29 Jun 2024Been there, great country, but still i prefer real democraciesYou should ask to Julian Assange what he thinks about real democracies...

                          Sam N8 808 owner, 30 Jun 2024You're right but brutally obvious. Do we not know USA... moreYes, they killed a lot of carmakers: Oldsmobile, Pontiac, AMC, Scion, Mercury, Holden, DeLorean, Plymouth, Edsel and the last one was SAAB.

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                            Carol-, 29 Jun 2024You confuse democracy with capitalism, who herr was talking... moreDemocracy? Are you kidding? It's not by name, you are CAPITALIST! IT'S WHAT YOU DO, you can call it freedom, humanity or anything you want.

                              Anonymous, 30 Jun 2024Can you stop being a tool for 1 second? USA not only sancti... moreYou're right but brutally obvious.
                              Do we not know USA and its domination over the countries of the world?
                              Do we not know that if you discover oil in huge amounts, suddenly you might be suspected of having bio weapons?
                              Its been going on since decades now. They destroyed Nokia too, because it was the only data center outside the purview of USA.

                              USA is about world domination. They can't stay out, even in matters, where no one's bothering them directly.

                                Anonymous, 30 Jun 2024Can you stop being a tool for 1 second? USA not only sancti... morehttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_mainland_China

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                                  Anders, 29 Jun 2024Chinese government sanctioning US companies ✅✅✅ US gover... moreCan you stop being a tool for 1 second? USA not only sanctioned Huawei but also imposed higher tariffs on Chinese cars because USA is anti‐competition. Yes, the so‐called biggest free market in the world is not happy when being challenged for market supremacy.

                                  Can you name me 1 American company that got sanctioned or imposed higher tariffs by the Chinese government?

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                                    Anders, 29 Jun 2024Chinese government sanctioning US companies ✅✅✅ US gover... moreWhat US businesses have China sanctioned? Microsoft, Apple, HP, Oracle, Tesla, Coca Cola, McDonald's, KFC etc etc all operate in China. If you're talking about Google and Facebook, they don't operate in China because they steal and sell data and don't comply with Chinese laws.

                                      TechJocky, 29 Jun 2024Isn't so obvious that Apple would do great on CPU and ... moreThat's Spec2017 industry standard, and the test is just 1 thread, per core perfomance not cpu perfomance 5950 is better Cpu because it has 16 cores not because it has better per core perfomance, many phones including Android have better single core perfomance than Zen 3.

                                      Also that's not a point, Apple E cores are better than Arm one or X86 alternative, that's a fact and I havent seen any reputable reviewer saying otherwise. A55 And A78/A77/A76 combo could compete until D8100 but since switching to Arm v9 Arm regressed a lot, all resource are improving cortex X and lower cores barely had improvement. If Huawei can create custom efficient cores and improve on likes of A720/A520 they can compete anywhere.

                                      To understand more how important low core is look on how Snapdragon X fail to match Apple M3, perfomance is there even surpassing it, but battery life and low load X elite is closer to X86 than M3 because it lack E cores.

                                        Hemedans, 29 Jun 2024Apple has just one E core, https://images.anandtech.com/... moreIsn't so obvious that Apple would do great on CPU and XML-based benchmarks since lower-level integer compiling is one of its strong zones? That's why it could even match a CPU like r5950x, whereas even the most powerful m soc is no match for real-time hardware acceleration, running virtual simulation, and heavy tasks like AAA games or engineering software. And a78 isn't a7xx. When you talk about the a710 or a715, these are significantly more powerful and more efficient than the ancient a78.

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