Apple to delay 2nm chips for 2026 as TSMC struggles with yield

31 December 2024
Nvidia and Qualcomm are considering a switch to Samsung Foundry.

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MarkusLeto, 03 Jan 2025Article says TSMS losing $120M monthly? Of course they char... moreno historically with apple being first adopter apple and tsmc had a deal where apple wouldn't pay for defective chips. This may however be changing with rising customers like Nvidia and apple seemingly not adopting immediately.

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    • 04 Jan 2025

    Not bad I'd say. I'm still using a 14 nm as main and my 6nm is shutdown for secondary . I lost interest in mobiles soon after I started collecting them but 3nm is a great feat. Same for 4nm being quit good , 3nm getting better would be more nicer than 2nm being quickly made. Its too early to do fast but I'm not against it.
    After 4nm most don't heat a lot but it's depending on chip cause my old 14nm heats less than 6nm , its about performance and phone using that chip. Maybe it's not common , can't say


      Article says TSMS losing $120M monthly? Of course they charge everything to their buyers.

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        brsdrgn, 01 Jan 2025Thanks for the lecture! I just love when people join the di... moreThe comment is about the competition among chip manufacturers. Now there are only two main smartphone chip manufacturers: TSMC and Samsung.

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          Anonymous, 31 Dec 2024The worst is the guy who keep stalking me on every page and... moreMaybe there is no need to point it out at every single Phone ? 🤔

            brsdrgn, 01 Jan 2025Thanks for the lecture! I just love when people join the di... moreYou replied to a point about the dangers of TSMC becoming a monopoly saying 'luckily' mediatek is in the game. That implies they are in the same game as TSMC which they aren't. That's my point

              Aierlan, 01 Jan 2025Mediatek though is not in the chip manufacturing game. They... moreThanks for the lecture! I just love when people join the discussion with an obvious information.

              Your point being?

              I answered the guy from the point of selling to the end customers. Does it matter who manufactures? Should we deep dive from where they get design? Arm?

              The main comment to which I answered was focusing on competition/alternatives on the market leading to a point with no monopoly.

                brsdrgn, 31 Dec 2024I agree with you. Luckily Mediatek is in the game and keepi... moreMediatek though is not in the chip manufacturing game. They just design chips. They also use TSMC to manufacture their high end chips. It's basically only TSMC and Samsung that can manufacture flagship level smartphone processors.

                  brsdrgn, 31 Dec 2024Your source? I guess coming out of your back? :) Peop... moreMost of the girls/women I know keep asking me about simple mobile stuff, whenever they have some problem or want to do something. That's my source.
                  Even though they are more educated than me.
                  It doesn't have anything to do with gender hate or whatever.
                  I don't know why you even add these two things together.

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                    • 31 Dec 2024

                    Relying only in TSMC is bad bc of the price, but also the fact that if China eventually do something to Taiwan, well, every tech will be doomed without any alternatives, this is the argument that any clown can't counter

                      Anton .el PAPI., 31 Dec 2024So set up your own semiconductor factory... and compete wit... moreI'm glad they have removed your comments.

                      You created another account by mocking my name.

                      But your forgot to change location. :)

                      Yours and that account you called me 'mrn' is the same = JQk

                      So, who's really mrn now? You or me? :D

                        Exclusively? Dont androids also get it from them ?

                          Anonymous, 31 Dec 202460% is pretty incredible for 2nm. But there really is no ne... moreTake yield numbers with grain of salt if they don't specify die size.

                            Anonymous, 31 Dec 2024Post links to your reputable sources.1. This is 2020-2023 Asp of wafer
                            trendforce.com/news/2024/01/24/news-tsmcs-2023-wafer-average-selling-price-rises-by-22-driven-by-n3-process-success

                            Usual wafer price translate to price of chip, atleast to mature nodes with high yields

                            2. About soc price we have data from counterpoint research and others, just google Pixel BOM Gsmarena has plenty of articles.

                            -Newer Tensor soc cost around $80 manufactured by 4LPP with die size of 135sqmm

                            -snapdragon 8 gen 2 $160 with die size 118mm2
                            -snapdragon 8 gen 3 $200 with die size 137mm2

                            Those are price which snapdragon charge Oems (they include profit) but even if half of price is profit still Samsung is significant cheaper.

                              shawman123, 31 Dec 2024Expecting N2 to be used by iphone 17 series was always too ... moreThe greatest scientist of our time Leonard Susskind, A pioneer inhis field of quantum physics will tell you going small is not always an obvious next as the universe is expanding or like to keep expanding. As such an Analytical analysis ll also tell you that the bigger atoms will like to stay on the top. At bottom well...

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                                brsdrgn, 31 Dec 2024I don't like scamsung but reading your non-contributin... moreThe worst is the guy who keep stalking me on every page and calling me a troll for voicing my honest opinion about the latest gadget. Hey it's not my fault that the manufacturers are removing all those useful features that we used to have in the past. I'm just the dude pointing out the obvious missing features on every single phone. Don't hate the messenger.
                                Let's hope that by 2025 all these trolls and stalkers will grow up.
                                Happy new year!

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                                  • 31 Dec 2024

                                  60% is pretty incredible for 2nm. But there really is no need for it

                                    Apple does NOT HAVE another option - non viable!

                                    This isn't Apple 'delaying' ANYTHING ... its TSMC that is delaying!
                                    When TSMC needs to retrofit their existing facilities and to certify their yields for production wafers ... then Apple CANNOT DO ANYTHING AT ALL.

                                    See this is what happens with tech news is written with opionion or sourced with opinion without simple common-sense. Facts get TURNED and TWISTED.

                                    Apple does not MAKE ANY of its hardware and hasn't since 1990! The outsource. if their source cannot themselves certify wafer yields for production - then nothing from Apple can be done, beyond colaboration and discussions. period.

                                      Why to rush ? 3nm is enough for another 10 years :)))

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                                        • 31 Dec 2024

                                        after 1nm it will be 0.9nm until 0.1nm

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