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SShreyas, 27 Sep 2020Software. I am not alone experiencing restarts lags. Try ch... moreActually that was a low shut most probably Propaganda. That was just the registration of the waranty. Every device when it activates it sends data when it was first turned on. That data will tell the company how much warranty you have. That data got on HMD servers in china. yeah most probably were from china imported devices. So do not compare crapp with what happened to HMD, there is no comparison...

    NeonHD, 29 Sep 2020I already get your point (as you got mines), I was just exp... moreThanks.

      SShreyas, 29 Sep 2020"You like Lineage, so you out of all people should und... more> But it provide you with more features than any other UI/skin will ever provide you with, unlike featureless Android on Nokias.

      True, but Lineage in based directly on AOSP code, I'm pretty sure MIUI isn't.

      > Then kindly keep your beliefs to yourself.

      Uh... yeah no LOL. In case if you weren't aware, you are commenting in the "opinion section", which means that everybody is entitled to give their own opinions and beliefs. I hope you realize that. Don't like my opinion? That's your problem. You are always free to ignore it.

      And don't try to use that same argument against me, as I already acknowledged the validity in your point.

      > Why are you persuading others to believe what you want to?

      I never persuaded anybody, you are merely just interpreting it that way. Like I said, these are just my opinions. The fact that you are irritated by my opinions demonstrates that you don't allow people to challenge your opinion. In fact, I already clarified my opinions in my previous comment, perhaps you should take a look at it again.

      > I also "feel" that Nokia is more shady than Xiaomi. But neither mine, nor yours "feel" can be a base for any allegations.

      You are correct. But as I said before, believe what you want (and I'll believe what I want). I have my reasoning and you have yours, make sense?

      > What if I, just like you, believe that all these are just excuses?

      Touché. Don't get me wrong, realistically I don't think Xiaomi intended on doing any harm, but because of their bad track record (and everything else) I hold negative opinions about them. This is a completely natural reaction.

        Subramanian CN, 29 Sep 2020Did I say anything wrong about you or did I mean anything w... moreI already get your point (as you got mines), I was just explaining the term in case you weren't aware what it really means.

        > A passion which practically serves no meaning would be funny

        I'm don't think you meant to say 'funny', as that would imply that you think someone's passion is humorous, which is extremely rude. Calling someone's passion or hobby "fascinating" would be the more (politically) correct term.

        Again, just clarifying it for you.

          SShreyas, 29 Sep 2020Long story cut short. You had the problem that the devs d... moreReplace the word "finally" in my previous message with "on the whole". I didn't mean your last paragraph. Good luck.

            Subramanian CN, 29 Sep 2020My first treply to your comment was... "May your be... moreLong story cut short.
            You had the problem that the devs don't take any responsibility. To which, I replied:
            ""In the end, I just want to tell you that all those disclaimer (the beginning of our discussion) is NOT meant for ROMs we create, rather it for the process of installation, of which we are not even a part of. We entirely takes responsibility for the performance/issues of the ROMs we create. We always try to fix the issue of our ROMs, if you report us any. But at any point of time, WE WILL NOT assume any responsibility for the installation part, which is completely a user dependent step.""

              SShreyas, 29 Sep 2020"people ask for more, because they pay more for these ... moreMy first treply to your comment was...

              "May your belief save you. Don't forget to check whether it is official or unofficial before flashing it. Also believe that every lesson has its own cost."

              Now, finally, you are saying the same thing to me, in a different way. Above all, I believe that our messages would be brought to the desks of xda's developers union.

                SShreyas, 29 Sep 2020"people ask for more, because they pay more for these ... moreWhen did I compare Google with developers like you? When you don't follow or understand what I say there is no point in discussing things. What did I say about Google? What have you understood from my message(s)? Well. For God's sake, let's leave everything to the readers of our messages. Let them take what they want and leave the rest.

                  NeonHD, 29 Sep 2020Well if you call someone a "-holic", it generally... moreDid I say anything wrong about you or did I mean anything wrong about the term "holic". As you have said, some are doing things just for passion, which practically serves no meaning or purpose, like colonising planet MARS. Well said. That why I didn't guide you and asked you to refer www. A passion which practically serves no meaning would be funny. That's the reason why I asked you to have fun. Your life is all yours and you can lead it the way you want. You can frame your own belief system as you like.

                    NeonHD, 29 Sep 2020I admit that what you said was true. But like I said before... more"You like Lineage, so you out of all people should understand this basic principle."

                    Lineage do have a UI with that of stock Android. But it provide you with more features than any other UI/skin will ever provide you with, unlike featureless Android on Nokias. Don't confuse Lineage with Stock android.

                    "I've even been to China and heard people there tell me that the public image of Xiaomi in China is bad."

                    Sir, Xiaomi is to Chinese what Nokia was to Finnish a decade ago. THEIR IDENTITY. Chinese consider Xiaomi as their identity. The think that Xiaomi represents them.

                    "I can "feel" that they are more shady compared to the likes of Huawei"

                    I also "feel" that Nokia is more shady than Xiaomi. But neither mine, nor yours "feel" can be a base for any allegations. And you are alleging the worst allegation possible for a smartphone vendor.

                    "Believe what you want, but to me Xiaomi is a lousy company, and their phones are lousy too, both in software (iOS-like) and in hardware. And I'm not even being a hypocrite, I own a Xiaomi Mi Pad 4 and I hate the design of it."

                    Then kindly keep your beliefs to yourself. Why are you persuading others to believe what you want to? You don't like the design, doesn't mean nobody will. You think the company is lousy, doesn't mean everybody will.

                    "More than likely what happened was that a piece of software that was intended for Chinese variants of the Nokia 7 Plus slipped through the cracks and ended up being installed on a single batch of Nokia 7 Plus’ headed for the Norwegian market"

                    This is exactly what was posted on Nokia's website. What if I, just like you, believe that all these are just excuses?

                      Subramanian CN, 28 Sep 2020When I talk about learning things, you talk about making mo... more"people ask for more, because they pay more for these devices."

                      Before people can ask for more, the concerned brand itself promises the number of software upgrades they would provide. For Apple, people trust it blindly and they know that Apple won't cheat them.

                      "Who said that people aren't ready to pay for genuine services? Why shouldn't there be a paid quality controlled Custom ROM, when there are plenty of takers for paid Launchers in Play Store."

                      Even if we, the developers launch a paid OS service, even then the process of installing these ROMs are very tricky and involves many risks. And, by launching paid services, we HAVE to assume its responsibility. Even today, we are ready to assume the responsibility for what we create, but only after a user has successfully installed our OS.

                      "Medical Practitioner/Doctor might not have knowledge about Softwares (other than some operating/working knowledge) and hence he/she might be ignorant about bootloader and Custom ROMs, but you can't name them stupids."

                      That's why we discourage people by giving those "Disclaimers". We want people to know what they are actually doing with their phones, the process of doing it and the risks involved. We want people to watch a tutorial video at least 10 times. We want people to know what risks are involved and what could go wrong and how to fix if anything goes wrong. You don't need to know coding for it. Just watch tutorials, get yourself familiarized with the basic terms and know how to fix if something goes wrong.
                      DO YOU KNOW THERE ARE VERY LESS CHANCES OF A DEVICE GETTING HARD-BRICKED? Only if a user installs an incompatible ROM, or an incompatible recovery or device lost its power source during installation.
                      Other than that, you can only soft brick your device which can be brought back to senses just by resetting it using the recovery mode.

                      "Above all, you want these ignorant people to assume responsibilities by accepting your services by contributing €20-40 (Rs.1000 - 2000)."

                      NOPE. We just don't want to pay for user's stupidity (I'll stick to it). No developer has ever asked you for money. They only provide a link where you can support them, IF YOU WANT TO.
                      All I was saying that if you want someone to take responsibility of your doings, then ou can approach these shops where they will charge you for our hard-work

                      "Why should they volunteer to accept something which is unknown to them. You make these Custom ROMs just because you like to build one."

                      Firstly, we devs don't get a penny for developing a ROM (I'm not asking for it). But we want people to volunteer for testing a ROM. Unlike brands like OnePlus, Samsung, Xiaomi, BBK, etc. we don't have any budget to hire beta-testers. That's why we want people to volunteer. And beta-testers must be professionals only. That's why an extra line of disclaimer is written for an under-development ROM.
                      When I was creating a ROM for HTC 816G, I had no volunteers and that was the worst experience. It took me 2 months to develop a ROM. Even my friend was also developing some other ROM for the same device with NO volunteers. Many "USERS" (who don't know much about coding and technicalities) complained of GApps not working. But it was working fine in my phone as well his (my friend). How were we supposed to solve a problem which we weren't even facing?
                      We needed people with knowledge of coding and technicalities to provide us a better feedback. That's why there are no OFFICIAL LineageOS for lesser-known devices. Because there aren't many volunteers for that.

                      "Ethically, Google assumes responsibility for letting these unscrupulous developers in."

                      Are you in your senses? We don't have money/budget for our services and Google is a billion dollar firm. You got no one to compare with us, so you chose Google?

                      In the end, I just want to tell you that all those disclaimer (the beginning of our discussion) is NOT meant for ROMs we create, rather it for the process of installation, of which we are not even a part of. We entirely takes responsibility for the performance/issues of the ROMs we create. We always try to fix the issue of our ROMs, if you report us any. But at any point of time, WE WILL NOT assume any responsibility for the installation part, which is completely a user dependent step.

                        Anonymous, 28 Sep 2020Get your thoughts right Samsung promised 3years upgrade to ... more2 years of software upgrade is already promised by Samsung to all of its phones, some upper mid range and high-end phones have been promised an additional year of upgrade. That's exactly what I wanted to convey by comparing Samsung S20 FE and Nokia 8.3 5G.

                          Subramanian CN, 26 Sep 2020Everything, Something and Nothing are all things. But, they... moreWell if you call someone a "-holic", it generally implies that they are doing it as a hobby or as passion, not for practicality.

                            SShreyas, 27 Sep 2020Software. I am not alone experiencing restarts lags. Try ch... moreI admit that what you said was true. But like I said before, in theory, software is Nokia's strongpoint. Why? Because it runs on AOSP rather than a custom skin. You like Lineage, so you out of all people should understand this basic principle.

                            > And just hallucinating that Xiaomi collects user's data and send it to China won't work

                            It's not a hallucination, it's a simple deduction. Xiaomi has had a shady history, I've even been to China and heard people there tell me that the public image of Xiaomi in China is bad. And from my experience with Xiaomi, I can "feel" that they are more shady compared to the likes of Huawei. Maybe shady isn't the best word, more like "lousy".

                            Believe what you want, but to me Xiaomi is a lousy company, and their phones are lousy too, both in software (iOS-like) and in hardware. And I'm not even being a hypocrite, I own a Xiaomi Mi Pad 4 and I hate the design of it.

                            > but same happened with Nokia 7 Plus, too. Isn't it?

                            "More than likely what happened was that a piece of software that was intended for Chinese variants of the Nokia 7 Plus slipped through the cracks and ended up being installed on a single batch of Nokia 7 Plus’ headed for the Norwegian market"

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                              SShreyas, 28 Sep 2020When did I said softheare upgrades aren't necessary? I... moreGet your thoughts right Samsung promised 3years upgrade to some selected device not all there lineup. Don't confuse people. hmd promised 2years upgrade and 3years update for all there lineup 1-9.and am sure from day one Samsung never and will never have better build quality the hmd. Samsung I now the king of mobile now that's you think they the best.

                                SShreyas, 28 Sep 2020I live in India. In my country, some decades ago, some poli... moreWhen I talk about learning things, you talk about making money. Actually, my intention of my last message is not to win your comments. When I projected my answer as simple and precise, you wanted me to elaborate by mocking me. It is you, who wanted this discussion. But, instead of answering my previous post, you made compromises. For your information, I am also an Indian.

                                To begin with, I didn't ask you, why iPhones and Pixel phones are expensive. An unneeded gesture. But, to answer this, people ask for more, because they pay more for these devices. But, no one will ask for an Android or security update for Realme C3, and for devices in this price segment, but would expect them to be trouble free. Moreover, I truly believe that no one expects any mobile device for free from any manufacturer.

                                By projecting the farmers scenario, you blame the farmers. But, ethically, who takes the responsibility for this situation. Is it the politicians or the farmers? You commit the mistake but, you don't wish to assume, respect and accept responsibilities, by blaming others. For some, Facebook, Instagram and the like, are inventions, but for me, it is not. More than half of world's inventions are total mistakes.

                                To be honest and precise, Android System is very pure. But, it is being littered everywhere, externally and internally. By external littering, I mean the bloatwares and by internal littering, I mean the littering of Play Store by unscrupulous developers. Many apps including bloatwares spoil the system's resources including power (Battery) by hiding itself to steal information. Unscrupulous apps always run at the background. Moreover, these apps aren't properly built or I can say that they are properly built for what it is made. It is these apps that makes everyone say that the Android System is memory hungry and power hungry. Who is responsible for this? Is it Google or the concerned app developer(s)? Ethically, Google assumes responsibility for letting these unscrupulous developers in. This situation has forced developers like you to make Custom ROMs.

                                Thank God for admitting that Lineage OS developers aren't ready to assume responsibilities. You say that people ask for more. Yes they do ask, but not all wishes are granted.

                                Who said that people aren't ready to pay for genuine services? Why shouldn't there be a paid quality controlled Custom ROM, when there are plenty of takers for paid Launchers in Play Store.

                                As you have said there are plenty of people who are ignorant (calling them stupid, will not make you wiser) about bootloader and Custom ROMs and how a mobile system works, the reason why I have to speak. You take advantage of their ignorance, by saying that their ignorance is the reason for your irresponsibility. Above all, you want these ignorant people to assume responsibilities by accepting your services by contributing €20-40 (Rs.1000 - 2000). Why should they volunteer to accept something which is unknown to them. You make these Custom ROMs just because you like to build one. If you had really done it for social welfare, you wouldn't have named the ignorant as - stupid. For example, a Medical Practitioner/Doctor might not have knowledge about Softwares (other than some operating/working knowledge) and hence he/she might be ignorant about bootloader and Custom ROMs, but you can't name them stupids.

                                Android OS refers to Android Operating System. But LineageOS is just a UI/Custom ROM like OxygenOS and One UI having Android Operating System as its Core, but is definitely not a Custom Operating System.

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                                  • 28 Sep 2020

                                  Nokia 7 plus user here, soon to be a Nokia 7.3 user when it's launched! great phone great software great products.

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                                    3rd grade design

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                                      SShreyas, 27 Sep 2020The only aspect where Nokia is at the top is the "over... moreWth does Nokia 8.3 really have eMMC 5.1 storage?? On the surface Nokia 8.3 like all Nokia phones look like a bad deal but now it seems they’re some of the worst phones being made. Mid-range processors in flagships, old entry level processor in mid-rangers, corners cut everywhere, poor software optimisations, cameras are just for decorations lol.

                                        Subramanian CN, 27 Sep 2020I really fell very happy that I am talking to a professiona... moreI live in India. In my country, some decades ago, some politicians, just to win elections started providing loan waivers to farmers. It was great, until farmers believed that it is their RIGHT to get loan waiver. Now, they start protesting whenever government doesn't waive off their loans

                                        The moral of the above scenario is- No matter how much you provide your services for free, the other person will keep on asking more from it.

                                        Same is the case with you. Do you know why Essential Phone, Google Pixel and iPhones are so expensive? BECAUSE THEY SUPPOSED TO BE MAINTAINED FOR 5-6 YEARS. And we developers give that service to you for free. Still, you are asking for more.
                                        Fiddling with your phone's core is not as easy as fiddling with a Windows device. I developed ROMs, was a beta tester, still I made no money. I didn't even expected any income. Still, I devoted my hundreds of hours and risk of installing unstable ROMs in phone that could have bricked my device.
                                        There are many stupid people around you who don't even know the meaning of bootloader, still talks of installing a custom ROM. How can you expect us to take any responsibility? The software brands you mentioned doesn't provide you anything for free.
                                        And that NOT KNOWN was written probably because of lack of volunteers for testing the ROM. There are many phones for which there are no volunteers. Even I was one and only volunteer for my Tab 3V's Cyanogen.
                                        You want someone to take responsibility, right? There are many mobile and computer hub in almost every metro city of India. Kindly ask those people to install custom ROM on your phone. They will charge about 1000-2000 bucks (20-40 euros) for a free service in which they didn't even contributed anything.

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