Nokia X30
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- Sin
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- 02 Dec 2022
I feel you guys are too Lazer focused on Nokia Google pixel fairphone Vs Xiaomi realme debate
In general mainstream brands make more profit than they claim hold good hardware behind paywalls and have a price premium too them
The popular brands are often the worsened
In the uk market
phones are not any good at all
Just garbage hardware for high pricing
We just import phones made for other markets even with import costs and taxes
it's still cheaper than buying a phone from a shop or phone carrier in the UK
for example umidigi we brought from there official store online at budget smartphone price and get a beast of a smartphone turn up at the door
I mentioned umidigi phone because they offer better value for money then Xiaomi on hardware run stock Android like Nokia and don't even get slowed down by updates either and on top of all that have good build quality and are reliable
The umidigi phones have come back at budget price's but with beastly hardware
So looking at mid range market
Why you no looking at alternative brands like
Umidigi hotwav OnePlus or Nubia
Just see what's on sale at the time and look around for bargains and random phone brands
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- Subramanian CN
- uw7
- 02 Dec 2022
Wuddup , 02 Dec 2022Well yeah, the 788g is more powerful, but my point is that ... moreTo clarify, I would like to emphasize my statement again. I never said that this device is bad, but said that the device is not worthier for its ASKING PRICE. Since the asking price is more, the device should have the necessary attributes which justifies its asking price. When this mobile is only suitable for simple tasks (as you've admitted), don't you feel that their asking price is more? There is nothing special about this device for their asking price. As far as performance is concerned, this is just an entry level device. I admit that this device supports a good display with good cameras but, with an entry level SOC.
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- Subramanian CN
- uw7
- 02 Dec 2022
Minu, 02 Dec 2022Totally agreed.
I only recommend brands based on my past e... moreI've copied your old post here to clarify it for yourself.
Your old post reads...
"The biggest downside to non-competitive markets is that you don't get good value for money. For example, the Nokia 5.4 and Poco M3 with similar specs and same or similar configurations retail for the same price, with the only differences being stock Android with better cameras on the Nokia 5.4 and the Poco M3 with a 1080p display, no ultrawide camera and MIUI with a price difference upto $30 in competitive markets. And the realme C11 2021 with the same price tag as the Nokia C21 Plus, where the Nokia has a fingerprint scanner and higher RAM compared to the C11, while the C11 has a nice-looking finish to it. Another example is the Nokia G11 Plus and the Samsung Galaxy M02s (which is 2 years from launch now) being sold at the same price with a massive difference in specs. The X30 and the Moto Edge 30 Neo being sold at the same price is a bit too hard to swallow too.
And the S22 Ultra that retails for the exact same price as the OnePlus 10 Pro, Xiaomi Mi 9 with the same price as the Galaxy S10 is also worth noting.
It's all about the brand loyalty here in our particular market since the same parent company retails every single phone brand unfortunately. And the import taxes, as well as inflation are high here, so we use our phones for as long as we can use them.
In case you noticed, I had recommended the X30 to someone in the comment section using a Galaxy J5, which is 7 years old at this day and age (imagine using a phone with low end specs for 7 years!), because you aren't saving any money by choosing a viable alternative. If someone says that the already high price is good, chances are that person is also from a non-competitive market.
And the fact that there aren't many GSMArena users from non-competitive markets, so it would be difficult for them to buy phones based on GSMArena user comments and reviews, so I try my best to help them 😁"
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- Wuddup
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- 02 Dec 2022
Subramanian CN, 02 Dec 2022Instead of praising Snapdragon 695 and Nokia's X30, yo... moreWell yeah, the 788g is more powerful, but my point is that the difference between the two is not as huge as people make it out to be imo. Like I said, in real life usage, there is very little difference between the two. It all depends on what you value from your phone. If gaming is your number 1 priority, then yes, there are better options out there, but if you're a casual user then the 778g is not going to aid you much over the 695.
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- Subramanian CN
- uw7
- 02 Dec 2022
Minu, 02 Dec 2022Totally agreed. I only recommend brands based on my past e... moreI spoke about brand loyalty since, you emphasized about it in your old post, the one you wanted me to read. I don't know whether it is the one, you wanted me to read. I just emphasized about what I believe and not to disprove anything, what you've said. To be honest, there exists the term, "Brand Loyalty" in Marketing Management. But, my point is that this term serves no meaning when the brand is not loyal to its consumers. To be precise, the terms "Brand Loyalty" and "Brand Value" serves no meaning today. It is not the question about being Good or Bad anymore, but, it is about being sincere and honest.
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- Minu
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- 02 Dec 2022
Subramanian CN, 02 Dec 2022I read that. But, there are plenty of consumers like me who... moreTotally agreed.
I only recommend brands based on my past experience, not by brand loyalty or being incentivized by them.
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- Subramanian CN
- uuL
- 02 Dec 2022
Carol, 02 Dec 2022Agree with some parts of what you said. But others will Not... moreHope you know about Android One mobiles of Xiaomi. But, they never priced it the way HMD does. I talk plenty of things here to make something greener since, I too admit honestly that most of the things are not greener. To your comment about Google's Pixel, I should say that you are simply out of your minds because, you are invariably supporting Google when you buy an Android mobile because, Google makes most of their money from advertisements, Play Store, etc. Google's Pixel is just an expression of pride of Google, not for profits. Even if no one prefers their devices, Google won't bother. To be precise, Google could price their devices lower, just because, Android belongs to them and they need not have to pay anything for their own set of services. To be precise again, what you pay for a Pixel device is way lower than other competing devices. If you really intend to not to support Google, then, you should choose devices of Apple.
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- Subramanian CN
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- 02 Dec 2022
Minu, 02 Dec 2022I've posted a pretty long detail under the Nokia X30 r... moreI read that. But, there are plenty of consumers like me who aren't loyal to any brand because, brand owners are neither relatives nor friends to be loyal. To be precise, these brand owners have to be loyal to their consumers to survive in today's competitive global market because, they make money out of consumer's pocket. These brands offer nothing, free of cost. People like me would accept anything or any brand which is really Good. We pay and they give something in return. It is pure business. Brand loyalty is nothing but a sentiment attached to a brand. In business there are no sentiments. According to me, to be highly rational, there can be only one thing attached to a brand, which is nothing but "Brand awareness". To be precise, every Android mobile has its own set of flaws. It is the nature of Android OS itself. As long as Android is open these flaws would prevail.
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- Minu
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- 02 Dec 2022
Subramanian CN, 02 Dec 2022Though I've said that this mobile is not worth its ask... moreAgreed. It's a bit sad that they don't price it competitively in competitive markets, or this may have replaced the Moto sales completely imho
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- Minu
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- 02 Dec 2022
Subramanian CN, 02 Dec 2022Explain in detail...I've posted a pretty long detail under the Nokia X30 review. You can find it there 😁
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- Carol
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- 02 Dec 2022
Subramanian CN, 02 Dec 2022Nokia's C series of mobiles doesn't receive Andro... moreAgree with some parts of what you said. But others will Not be able to keep the price down with stock android, that is one of the reasons xiaomi quickly gave up on this idea, they need to load the device with lot of crapp, ads and so on. To be able to at least turn some profits. So nope, not everything is green on the other side. Each with it's business model, am glad hmd does not do that. Otherwise i would be forced to go somewhere else, and am really out of viable options besides Fairphone. Google pixel is ok, but google has enough and i do Not want to support them with even more money.
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- Sin
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- 02 Dec 2022
Subramanian CN, 02 Dec 2022Nokia's C series of mobiles doesn't receive Andro... moreHave you heard of the brand umidigi ?
umidigi is know for there shocking low prices & stock android
They run stock android and they crash brands like xiaomi in terms of value for money on hardware and specs
On top of all that they even have high quality and make smartphones that are reliable and last a long time
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- Subramanian CN
- uuL
- 02 Dec 2022
Wuddup , 02 Dec 2022To be fair, I think the 695 is good enough for most users,... moreInstead of praising Snapdragon 695 and Nokia's X30, you have expressed it's limitations by comparing it with 765G. Thank you very much. Well done.
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- Subramanian CN
- uuL
- 02 Dec 2022
Minu, 02 Dec 2022Agreed, but the alternate options don't make sense in ... moreNokia's C series of mobiles doesn't receive Android updates. Why shouldn't. HMD release this same piece of hardware (X30) in a different name CX30, pricing it lower like their C series (though it can't be as cheap as their other entry level C series) to experience the results? Another important point to be noted is, HMD's partiality. Their device G400 is an excellent midrange device, which is priced justifiably. But, it is reserved for T- mobile. Like space junks, HMD has introduced many C series entry level devices, most of which perform badly after Android 12 updates. It struggles to load apps., meaning app loading time has increased. I speak more about Nokia since, they are the only ones which employ Stock Android other than Google's Pixel. If other brands choose to introduce Stock Android mobiles, I'll no longer be here to speak about Nokia or HMD. To be precise, if other brands choose to introduce Stock Android mobiles, most of us wouldn't be here to speak about Nokia, which justifies that hardware of other brands sound worthier.
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- Sin
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- 02 Dec 2022
Subramanian CN, 02 Dec 2022Though I've said that this mobile is not worth its ask... moreYeah
The hardware is very overpriced
Should of had Snapdragon 870 processor & 8gb / 12gb ram i think
I had too rethink the software support
I can't see any meaningful benefit from software updates all they do is slow phones down too much
I just think android updates are not worth it anymore
I just don't see the point of wasting time & money on work trying too get a new android version on a old smartphones with old hardware that is ill suited for new software
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- Wuddup
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- 02 Dec 2022
To be fair, I think the 695 is good enough for most users, unless you are extremely demanding with your usage, I think the 695 can handle most tasks. From the benchmarks, it's basically a better version of the 765g. If you were to but the 695 and 788g side by side, I'd think they'd perform identically with the only difference when launching games 🤷
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- Subramanian CN
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- 02 Dec 2022
Minu, 02 Dec 2022Agreed, but the alternate options don't make sense in ... moreThough I've said that this mobile is not worth its asking price, doesn't mean that this mobile is bad and I've never said that anywhere, at any point of time. What I mean is that their (HMD) asking price is more to this particular piece of hardware. This device, Nokia X30, should've employed at least Snapdragon 778G+ SOC for their asking price. With this in mind, I've said that competing products (Hardware with asking price) sound better than this device. It is not about paying more but, it is about whether the price we pay is justified. Above all, this mobile's asking price is justified from HMD point of view, because of their commitment to provide Android updates for three years and increasing its warranty period by 1 to 2 years (varies between countries). My question is whether HMD can provide the same piece of Hardware with the existing software without these additional benefits (Updates and warranty extension) at a cheaper price? Updates serve no purpose after Android 10 and most of us will not stick on to the same device for more than 3 years. The Android version that comes with the mobile should be good for three years. As far as security is concerned, Android devices are not secured (even if it is Stock), since it is Open.
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- Subramanian CN
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- 02 Dec 2022
Minu, 02 Dec 2022Agreed, but the alternate options don't make sense in ... moreExplain in detail...
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- Minu
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- 02 Dec 2022
Subramanian CN, 30 Nov 2022If you look at past pricing strategies of HMD, I feel that ... moreAgreed, but the alternate options don't make sense in markets like in our country, which is non-competitive, unlike China and India.
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- Minu
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- 02 Dec 2022
Sin, 01 Dec 2022It's on Nokia c01 plus Sadly Nokia g10 has blootware... moreThat's the problem with all budget phones tbh. But at least they allow you to uninstall most of them