Huawei P20 Pro: a photo walk around Paris
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- AnonD-521587
- qip
- 09 Apr 2018
harwey, 08 Apr 2018Well mate,it`s all well,but I was reffering to a"Communicat... moreyeah i understand what you're saying and its the reason why i wouldn't buy any phone from there. With that said huawei was picked as an obvious choice because its the biggest partly for the reason you mentioned but also because it would be the number 1 most selling chinese phone and therefore a security issue as well.
more baffling is why sony phones are not able to sell with a working FP scanner in the united states when it works fine everywhere else in the world.
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- harwey
- JbV
- 08 Apr 2018
AnonD-521587, 08 Apr 2018its not really a communist made device since the company th... moreWell mate,it`s all well,but I was reffering to a"Communication act",maybe you`ve read about it,I guess you have...all chinese smartphone makers have ties with communist `party,surely,but why they chose Huawei as the enemy that`s a mistery...or isn`t?They`re No.3 manufacturers in the world,bigger than Sony,LG,HTC,Nokia and many others combined so it`s logical that Sams/Apple don`t want a worthy competition in US...but makers of that horrible "Act" never mentioned why are ZTE,Lenovo(Motorola),and recently even Xiaomi excluded from that philosophy...in the US.
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- SpiritWolf
- Sdv
- 08 Apr 2018
Nick, 07 Apr 2018Or because you haven't tried out camera on recent flagship ... moreActually my daily driver is Lumia 950 XL, so i think i have pretty good idea abput nowadays lenses/processing. Although, mentioned camera is still from Nokia school, no exessive oversharpening.
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- AnonD-521587
- qip
- 08 Apr 2018
harwey, 05 Apr 2018Well,I`ve just read that S9vs.XZ2 photo shootout article an... moreits not really a communist made device since the company that helped them make the camera is german and the components are made by other companies. Its simply that the company in charge of all of this has ties to communist china.
SOny might kill the competition soon.
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- tonymancs
- mgN
- 08 Apr 2018
Well I never claimed 808 is superior at everything. I know how frustrating it can be. But it can also provide superior JPEG output for further post-processing, matched only by Lumix CM1 or 1020 (those can shoot RAW). The only phone that surprised me so far is S9+ with its very good noise reduction, otherwise no modern flagship can match 808 and its huge sensor yet. Pure win for physics.
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- Anonymous
- pp}
- 08 Apr 2018
Long story short Huawei is the best and all others now could rest.THE END.
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- Daemon Spade
- uFk
- 08 Apr 2018
tonymancs, 07 Apr 2018My friend, the word "Pure" as in PureView has it meaning- s... moreHe was talking about how old Nokia's lens quality is falling well behind what current highend smartphones offer yet you tried to shift the topic and claim that the difference in sharpness is purely caused by the differences in post processing. Your claim is partially true, but lens quality plays big part too. And when you're having close-to-1-inch sensor you shouldn't have to pick the right circumstances to take great photos, it should be able to compete with modern smartphones in any situation, which is sadly not the case here. Like he already said, there are many other things which need to be taken into account when you're having a discussion about and while your Nokia excels in resolving details, is definitely behind for everything else, at least in auto mode. My S9+'s photos are certainly oversharpened compared to Nokia 808, but at least they don't look like they are taken by smartphones when you don't look into details, all thanks to OIS, accurate white balance and superb dynamic range. Tonality still isn't great but I don't expect its pea-sized sensor to have the same image quality as the huge full size sensor RX1 M2 that I also have.
Going back to the original topic, I still think the post processing on P20 Pro is really agressive and overdone. You can say the same for any other phones, but I expected better from this "professional grade" smartphone camera. But it's really good for a smartphone and while some night shots look like a paint job because of dedicated night mode(which I have seen so far, reserves higher dynamic range in favor of detail), the good news is you can turn it off .
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- 08 Apr 2018
AnonD-445642, 06 Apr 2018photography is subjective so I guess we have to agree to di... moreyes i agree but thatswhy we have Sony. my old old xperia ZL still takes better pics then my G4, and now S8 .... on the small screen yes , but uploaded on a laptop, tv.... my old Sony beats them
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- 08 Apr 2018
AnonD-445642, 06 Apr 2018photography is subjective so I guess we have to agree to di... moreyes i agree but thatswhy we have Sony. my old old xperia ZL still takes better pics then my G4, and now S8 .... on the small screen yes , but uploaded on a laptop, tv.... my old Sony beats them
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- tonymancs
- mgN
- 07 Apr 2018
Night shots on P20 Pro looks beautiful. As oil painting (OMFG I'am laughing too much, can't even breath!)
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- tonymancs
- mgN
- 07 Apr 2018
Nick, 07 Apr 2018Or because you haven't tried out camera on recent flagship ... moreMy friend, the word "Pure" as in PureView has it meaning- shots are soft, but detail level are simply incredible. A little bit of sharpening improves it drastically. You can't compare it to overshapened mess of S9+, IpX or this failed 808 wannabe. You have to use that phone to know its strong points and drawbacks (mainly limited mechanical shutter and low DR), choose the right occassion and the right angle for your photos. I'am not a 808 wizard yet but still I'am able to pull 1/10s exposure time shots on 8Mpx with 1:3 success rate. That's a 1.5-second short burst. Say whatever about 808's meh auto mode, 808 users can again smile and say "Not yet".
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- AnonD-468436
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- 07 Apr 2018
aggressive noise reduction and old noise reduction algorithms and ugly oversharpening = crap camera
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- Nick
- vmF
- 07 Apr 2018
SpiritWolf, 06 Apr 2018Seems like you have watched reviews only and never used the... moreOr because you haven't tried out camera on recent flagship smartphones and compared it to your Nokia 808? Modern smartphones has less MP count compared to older camera-centric phones but I can assure you that the lens quality has been vastly improved since then and now the gap in detail level is not as large as you think (the difference is still there, but both JPEG and RAW samples from Nokia 808 doesn't look 3x more detailed than RAW files from Galaxy S8, Mate 10 Pro etc). I particularly find this photo quite soft, for example
https://www.dpreview.com/files/p/articles/4388245494/41MP_20120707_0012.jpeg
Now please don't get me wrong, extra resolution does help massively when you're shooting in raw or lower resolution. It DOES contain extra details, after all. But not as much as the sheer number of 40MP suggests. Also like I mentioned earlier the dynamic range of straight-out-of-the-camera JPEG photos isn't so nice, and in low-light relatively dim lens and lack of OIS really pulls it back(1020 is indeed a better night time shooter than this).
Let me summarise what I want to tell you - My whole point is: 808 is not that great in auto mode. Resolution plays a big part in photo quality, but obviously there are many other factors to be considered.
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- 2Am
- 07 Apr 2018
YalokIy, 06 Apr 2018On official Huawei Malaysian online store it's $850 for p20... moreworth $1200 here not worth it. it must be $700 with its name. the name is not paying their license as high as the other brands out there then why is it that the price is more than a thousand dollars. the only thing i cannot get to other smartphones out there comparing to this phone is the 3 camera that's it.
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- Anonymous
- pp}
- 07 Apr 2018
What you people want from phone cameras
anyway?
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- SpiritWolf
- Sdv
- 06 Apr 2018
Nick, 06 Apr 2018Details look good when you downsample it to 8MP or just sho... moreSeems like you have watched reviews only and never used the device by yourself. I don't know, maybe reviewer had a faulty device. My 808 captures a LOT more detail in full resolution, compared to supersampled lower resolution choices, which is logical. Actually i use lower resolutions only when i want to zoom and i am too lazy to crop from full resolution photo later. And sometimes in low light, where supersampling gives certain advantage (not too much though) but generally i am using full resolution.
And no, i don't know anything about softness. Doesn't exist in my photos. Even if it did,you can set sharpness manually from options. Maybe it's you and you are used to Samsungs oversharped unnatural pics it takes?
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- AnonD-445642
- M$i
- 06 Apr 2018
Nick, 05 Apr 2018I respectfully disagree. Nokia 808 has a magnificent sensor... morephotography is subjective so I guess we have to agree to disagree.
Imo Pureview can be inconsistent in comparison to today's flagships (dynamic range is off, overexposed and blury) but when it takes a good photo it's just miles ahead of any phone (I have S7, previously LG G4) - just looks so natural (not over-sharpened/processed), detailed (even when you zoom and zoom) - just pleasant for eye and still looks amazing on 50inch screen. On contrary "flagship" photos just look mediocre imo on a big screen (they look great on a 6inch high contract / eye popping res. )
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- AnonD-445642
- M$i
- 06 Apr 2018
AnonD-698164, 05 Apr 2018All of current smartphone (android + iphone) add too much s... moreyup, just so much more pleasant for eye
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- YalokIy
- Mkc
- 06 Apr 2018
Shui8, 06 Apr 2018Yup pretty sure. Here in Malaysia the price listed;
P20 ... moreOn official Huawei Malaysian online store it's $850 for p20 pro.
Still quite a good price.
I just wish it was shorter. My s8 is shorter than p20, but feels uncomfortable in my jeans pocket when I seat.
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- Nick
- vmF
- 06 Apr 2018
Daemon Spade, 06 Apr 2018It's a quad bayer structure, thus each 4 pixels are treated... moreYou can shoot in 40MP resolution in both JPEG and RAW if you really want to.