Sony Xperia 1 vs. Samsung Galaxy S10+

17 June 2019


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Shui8, 20 Jun 2019No. That is just pure BS. Its all about cost saving, for a ... moreYour saying 3300 is not enough but a hardcore gamer would bring power bank even it is a 4000, because they can't stop playing games. And don't tell me 4000 can use for two days, if the next day your battery is still have 5-60% I am sure you will charge it to 100% before you go out for gaming whole day long, otherwise you will bring the power bank as a backup too. You forget to mention the Weight and Size this time, Xperia 1 has the lighter 178g weight and 8.2 mm slimmer to grip, that's why it has better experience on gaming because it is lighter and slim than others, the competitor come with wider width and heavier weight that will be a drawback on gaming experience. Dailly charge is fine as well, because the battery need to charge to remain healthy compare to don't charge it for a longer time.

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    • HCv
    • 20 Jun 2019

    Nick Tagataka, 20 Jun 2019"He has chosen to put these up and omitted to mention or sh... more "A few sharpening artifacts? I would say it's tons, even comparable to Nokia 9's level."

    Come on, man - let's not go overboard: I just re-checked GSMA's samples - nothing touches the oversharpening of the Nokia 9: it's abysmal. Sony does sharpen and it brings in edge artifacts but it's less than early software P20 Pro shots, which everyone fawned over at the time. It's not the cleanest image - happy to admit that - but balance cleanliness Vs detail. The Pixel 3 is far noisier than the Xperia, for example, and both hold onto more detail than the S10+. I guess it's what you value more in your image: clean and plastic vs. rough and textured. I take the latter because my eye notices the flatness and oil-painting effect that the S10+ produces and I simply don't like it. Horses for courses.

    Sorry if I came over as agressive: nout personal, man. But I've taken superb shots with this thing. I know what it can do and there are a lot of fan reviewers out there drawing all the wrong conclusions. I'm aware of its faults but I prefer its results.

    Oh, and I agree on the bulb shot: reigning in light sources in the dark is not the machine's forte. But the lighting across the shot, so I've found, is always realistic (IE - not overlit or underlit), the colors are on point and it just hangs onto so much detail at night. Saf showed a picture of a bulb and a sign - I'd argue they were chosen because they were poor examples - and gave a flat-out wrong conclusion.

    I make no bones about being a fan of the X1s camera. Doesn't mean I can't smell bullshit :)

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      • Sifat
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      • 20 Jun 2019

      everett2000, 20 Jun 2019Absolutely not from emotion, bar my personal indignation th... moreJudging from all the evidence provided by everyone and seeing the review of FlashingDroid and GSMA itself... one can say this with certainty that... SuperSaf is a super biased reviewer...
      Even without seeing the review, you can know his result.... His reviews should be labeled SuperSad

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        • Shui8
        • KZK
        • 20 Jun 2019

        everett2000, 20 Jun 2019Absolutely not from emotion, bar my personal indignation th... moreSeems like u got a point there. Amazing daylight samples. Thanks for sharing.

        However i've seen better lowlight pics than yours (P30 Pro & Pixel 3) seems like Xperia really struggle on that situation. Weak dynamic range, lots of blacks been crushed & overblown highlights on neon signs.

        Can u provide the Auto mode compared with manually HDR turned on, low lights scene which has dark areas & neon sign at the same time? Curious to know how it turns out.

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          • 20 Jun 2019

          Nick Tagataka, 20 Jun 2019"He has chosen to put these up and omitted to mention or sh... moreAbsolutely not from emotion, bar my personal indignation that he's clearly coming at this with a pre-ordained outcome.

          As an owner of the device, I absolutely know as a fact what triggers the HDR mode on the X1 and how easy it is to do. There is simply no way that a competent user shouldn't be able to wait for the symbol to come up for that situation - I am absolutely certain that Backlight Mode would activate in that situation and I know what it looks like when it doesn't. It didn't.

          So either Saf is the world's worst smartphone photographer, he chose a result that didn't (and there were definitely examples that the camera would have presented where it would - that's precisely the scenario that the software would recognise as needing it. So why didn't he use the ones where it did?) Or he chose to frame the image until the Backlight symbol disappeared and then take the shot.

          As a user of the device, I can tell you with conviction that backlight HDR was OFF on that shot. And there's no reason for that, as the phone WOULD have suggested it.

          What irritates me, as someone who knows that the phone can absolutely nail an image like that, is that Saf CHOSE not to show an example. And he absolutely did make that choice.

          That's unacceptable.

          My personal samples show similar shots of bright sky Vs a foreground. Tell me that the camera that produced these images is as bad as Saf made out.

          https://flic.kr/s/aHsmDVuJSf

          He stacked that review.

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            • Shui8
            • KZK
            • 20 Jun 2019

            Nick Tagataka, 20 Jun 2019Just in case you're wondering why he's making such a commen... moreYup, i know. Its kind of amusing when he made that statement. Just to clear things up.

              everett2000, 19 Jun 2019Further to the crowing masses seeking to hold up Saf's vide... more"He has chosen to put these up and omitted to mention or show any images at all where the Xperia 1 uses it's auto Backlight Detection"
              Proof that he deliberately chose samples where Xperia 1 didn't use Backlight Detection? Do you know how wide DR is on S10's camera? Are you also going to ignore the cake & indoor lamp shot as well, where Xperia didn't use HDR at all(Well, it's a "Backlight" Detection, so I suppose it doesn't get triggered unless it detects the sun shining behind the building or something)?

              "He's clearly not showing images using the Night Scene mode or Low Light mode"
              Maybe it did but Samsung managed to get brighter image?

              "He doesn't make any attempt to compare detail retention"
              Something he should've done for sure but probably he couldn't be bothered because both of them perform poorly in this regard.

              "He doesn't mention colour accuracy"
              Again, I agree with you on this one, something he definitely could've looked into when evaluating images from both phones. Though in that case it would be the best to turn off the Scene Optimiser on S10 since it sometimes tweaks the colors and contrast drastically.

              I know SuperSAF is not the best when it comes to phone camera comparison, but to me it looks like you're speaking from your personal emotion rather than relying on a logic, especially where you talked about Backlight Detection stuffs. No offence though.

                Shui8, 20 Jun 2019No. That is just pure BS. Its all about cost saving, for a ... moreJust in case you're wondering why he's making such a comment: Look at his user name, Nippon means Japan - so it directly translates into "Japan Fan" in English. It's an account clearly made to troll non-Japanese brands(which in this case Samsung), so it's probably the best to ignore his comment.

                  everett2000, 19 Jun 2019,.... Because he clearly does?! Saf admits himself that ... more"a tiny bit of noise and has a very slightly narrower DR"
                  I'm sorry but "very slightly narrower DR" is a gross understatement of S10's camera's strongest point. In terms of pure dynamic range, S10 is significantly better than any other smartphones on the market right now when it successfully activates HDR. A few sharpening artifacts? I would say it's tons, even comparable to Nokia 9's level. And while Exynos S10 is pretty garbage when it comes to detail rendering thanks a mix of strong edge enhancement and noise reduction, horrible oversharpening of Xperia 1 is no better and there are clearly many devices that do better than those 2 in this regard. You should also keep it in mind that FD tends to overlook sharpening issues on recent Xperia and tend to favor punchier colors in low light, which Sony phones have been doing for a while.

                  I posted the original question out of curiosity, but you dare to attack me and say that I'm trying to ignore things to support my bias? There are radical fans of other brands as well but ones from Sony seem to be the most aggressive one, I just keep wondering why.

                    Anonymous, 19 Jun 2019SONY is OEM synonymous to ORIGINAL... samsung is synonymous... moreThat is the dumbest argument I ever heard. The fact is that Samsung is the pioneer of SuperAMOLED displays and designs/makes 95% of the components on the phone by themselves.

                    I am no Samsung fanboy, but I had enough of childish troll arguments.

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                      • Anonymous
                      • XNk
                      • 20 Jun 2019

                      [deleted post]Pot calling the kettle black. You believe the words of other instead of your own eyes. Go and look at the photos.

                        I can say that Samsung tweaked nothing in it's fingerprint sensor. It's complete and definite garbage. Sometimes it doesn't unlock in tens of tries in row (and yes, even their counter to 5 failed tries in row sometimes doesn't work). Too clean fingers - fail, too sweaty fingers - fail, millimeter offset from ideal center position - fail, saturn is in taurus - fail. Junk tech.

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                          • KZ8
                          • 20 Jun 2019

                          NipponFan, 20 Jun 2019Japanese really like to design things optimally. That small... moreNo. That is just pure BS. Its all about cost saving, for a bigger profit or a really bad marketing strategy.

                          Sony spend very less money on marketing (people blame on its sales because of this) yet sell the phone high price like others (where the rest spends a lot).

                          Its the same excuse on Sony previous phone and fans blindly defending it.
                          - Single camera since ages
                          - No OIS since ages
                          - No OLED since ages

                          After their phones cannot sell, close shop on many countries, then they finally realize about it. Therefore Xperia 1 is a vastly improvement from Sony (use multi camera, add OIS, change to OLED) whereas others has apply it since ages thats why they succeed.

                          If Xperia 1 can squeeze that 3300mah battery life with good optimization, why not beat others by putting bigger battery? Ditch the useless dynamic vibration that eats space. Really hope they can improve it in future. I'm a Sony fan, but not a blind one.

                            Japanese really like to design things optimally. That small battery is just enough for a day's use...

                            I really wish it was more, for Sony's sake... People are really disheartened by the small battery, despite the phone being great in everything else.

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                              • PA7
                              • 20 Jun 2019

                              Anonymous, 19 Jun 2019In digital photography, information is lost forever when yo... mores10 overexposed? seriously? is it you eye or your display that also suck smh

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                                • Anonymous
                                • XNk
                                • 20 Jun 2019

                                SpiritWolf, 19 Jun 2019Even blind can see, that Xperia main camera postprocessing ... moreYou want to talk about the snail pics? I see no details on the snail in Xperia 1's photo because of overexposure.

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                                  • PA7
                                  • 20 Jun 2019

                                  Anonymous, 19 Jun 2019The details on the snail are all gone because of overexposure.told you, x1 dynamic range sucks..

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                                    • Anonymous
                                    • LQv
                                    • 20 Jun 2019

                                    I dont trust the knowledge of youtubers. But at least Ray (flagshipdroid) gives better explanation. Of course is nowhere near what a photographer could explain but is much more than Supersaf, Mrwhosetheboss etc can offer ....

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                                      • Anonymous
                                      • LQv
                                      • 20 Jun 2019

                                      Livid, 19 Jun 2019S10 has HDR+. This is better than Sony and is becoming the ... moreThere are many types of HDR ....

                                      HDR10/10+ need a proper HDR screen to be watched.
                                      HLG is different. You can still watch without many issues on a SDR screen. Also it is easier to be used by Youtube.

                                      HLG has much wider gamut and data, cellphones cannot record it without the stacked DRAM sensor helping the cpu.

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                                        • Anonymous
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                                        • 20 Jun 2019

                                        SNA1970, 19 Jun 2019Both are losers . IMO any Phone that is priced over $700 is... moreYou got that right ser. All we want is good phone that can take photo same as point and shoot cameras 10 - 15 years ago, for around 100$ - 300$ max, basic features and all, just new 4k 60k mod and thats it. (Looking at you K20pro/Mi9T pro).

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