Redmi Note 8 Pro vs. Realme X2: Showdown
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- Anonymous
- LX7
- 03 Jan 2020
MasEnha, 03 Jan 2020In Indonesia, even Realme XT 4/64 is much more expensive th... moreRealme is not as well known as xiaomi is, it's only natural that in markets in which is not widely available it will be more expensive, it's how the middle man gets rich.
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- MasEnha
- y$i
- 03 Jan 2020
In Indonesia, even Realme XT 4/64 is much more expensive than Redmi N8 Pro 6/128. Officially there is no X2 here, instead, we got X2 Pro with insane pricing.
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- Marco M
- Mu3
- 03 Jan 2020
TimApple, 02 Jan 2020> LCD is sharper
True only because all current OLED pan... moreIt's not green sub pixels that live shortest, but the blue ones. Hence the green tint increases over time. It is also why they make the blue sub pixel larger than the others, but it doesn't solve the problem completely I'm afraid. It seems you're the one with only surface knowledge. Ranting on about things you don't know.
The more you use an amoled device, and the higher average brightness you use it as, the faster it will degrade and the more prominent the green tint will become. Dark mode helps, as does reading mode, not just on efficiency, but also on the blue sub pixels lifespan. Shying away from vivid mode on Samsungs (with blue-ish whites) etc. also helps a lot, but there is a catch there I'll tell you about it further down below.
Smartphones display a lot of static content. OLED simply isn't suited for this? It's not about tinfoil hats, but about knowledge. As already mentioned, brightness also affect this, and most people don't use their phones at very low brightness - which would prolong the lifespan of the display.
Even jerryrigeverhting had to replace his Sammy just now due to him getting tired of the burned in on-screen keyboard. It has been burned-in for quite a while now. Nothing else was wrong with his phone. In a way AMOLED serves as planned obsolescence. Who would want to buy a device with burn-in issues?
The word typically was used, but perhaps you missed that.
Iphone 8 (LCD) has lower average delta E compared to Iphone X (AMOLED), even the budget Iphone XR (LCD) has significantly (about three times) lower average delta E compared to the flagship Iphone XS Max and 11 pro Max, both AMOLED.
Same with Pocophone with its LCD managing average Delta E of 0.9 vs other AMOLED Xiaomi devices not reaching such results, including flagships like my Mi Mix 3 (average Delta E of 2.3).
However, it isn't as simple as this either. Take the Note10+ display, a favourite for many. Average Delta E in i'ts best mode (Natural) is 2.4, and in Vivid it is 5.1
So which mode is better? Natural? Not necessarily.
Actually in the real world with external lighting and the smartphone not being limited at around 0-100 nits, the Vivid mode is actually better and is able to display the full color gamut when the Natural mode fails once the brightness gets brought up to normal levels. Only one problem, at this mode burn-in will occur a lot faster.
Btw my original comment was on the devices in this article, not flagships with QHD, and higher resolution. FHD/FHD+ is the gold standard on the majority of devices these days, same goes for +/- 6.4" displays and the combination is pretty bad with AMOLED, jagged edges everywhere. Once the norm gets bumped to either QHD(+) or FHD(+) RGB AMOLED this will change. Visionox's RGB Z-type AMOLED looked very promising, but I guess cheapo pentile will still "win" for now due to costs.
https://www.oled-info.com/files/visionox-z-type-oled-pixel-arrangement-macro.jpg
As far as higher end devices go, LCD can still be better when you bump up the resolution. QHD(+) pentile AMOLED is still awful to use in VR. This is why I still use a Sony XZ Premium for VR. No screen door effect, unlike every single AMOLED smartphone, including the "4k-ish" Xperia 1.
For normal non-VR use, QHD(+) AMOLED on normal sized phones is okay enough for sharpness, but eventually green tint will come and if a heavy user then also burn-in will happen. Maybe not during the time of the first owner, depending on how long it is kept. If they eventually switch to a RGB matrix for AMOLED, then there will be a lot more blue
and red sub-pixels (twice as many of each kind) and hence the life span should be longer as each blue sub pixel doesn't need to emit as much light as current setup.
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- Anonymous
- LX7
- 03 Jan 2020
IpsDisplay, 03 Jan 2020He is right about people changing phones because of burn in... moreBasically all flagships are running amoled displays now, a lot of fruitless debate here like if manufacturers didn't know what they are doing and why, fact is most lcds are mounted on cheap devices.. you guessed it, because they are cheap not because they are better.
An average user will not experience any significant issues with the display in the expected device lifetime of about 2-3 years.
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- IpsDisplay
- ri0
- 03 Jan 2020
TimApple, 02 Jan 2020> LCD is sharper
True only because all current OLED pan... moreHe is right about people changing phones because of burn in.. is that a majority? Nope but it does happen not a tin foil thing
As for your comment about green sub pixels I think you have it slightly warped maybe it's the use of the word "burn out"
But the reason for green being doubled is because green is low energy so there is twice the amount for color balance as we would hardly see any green
But shining dimmly doesn't mean it will burn out the fastest
The BLUE sub pixels are the ones do die or burn out the quickest
Here are some other oled disadvantages:
Energy inefficient whites
Black crush
PWM flickering
Color curve issues with high refresh rates because of lack of independent backlight
Lower sustained brightness
Pixels ageing at different rates
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- Anonymous
- XSx
- 03 Jan 2020
Which phone i should buy? Realme X2 or Mi note 8 pro, please suggest the best one at this price range.
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- Anonymous
- LX7
- 03 Jan 2020
Anonymous, 02 Jan 2020Apple guy talking about OLED advantages..... Damn.... never... moreApple do use OLED since iphone X.. so I guess is ok.
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- Anonymous
- NL{
- 02 Jan 2020
TimApple, 02 Jan 2020> LCD is sharper True only because all current OLED pan... moreApple guy talking about OLED advantages..... Damn.... never thought I'd see this day
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- 02 Jan 2020
Marco M, 02 Jan 2020SAMOLED still has its weaknesses, as it almost always has.
... more> LCD is sharper
True only because all current OLED panels use PenTile layout which have to imitate RGB layout. This is offset by high resolution screens, the same way screen door effect is offset by higher resolution on LCDs.
>typically offers more accurate colors
Nonsense. Any screen is only as accurate as how well you calibrate it. The problem is that LCDs suffer from uneven backlight and apart from high end LCDs with a lot of local dimming zones and most other cheaper LCDs will have different Delta-E values in different places though that also depends on whether you are looking at hue, saturation or luminance. OLED panels do not have this problem as every pixel has its own backlight BUT on the other hand burn-in causes uneven backlight that can be worse than LCD backlight issues but this only happens with prolonged use. Not only is this point wrong but also moot because nobody is doing colour grading on a mobile phone.
> burn-in will make consumers want to upgrade a otherwise fully functional device
[citation needed]
Tinfoil hats are pretty uncomfortable, you should take it off.
> but no one does it anymore because it's cheaper to cheat (pentile)
[citation needed]
The reason is that green subpixels burn out faster, anyone with more than a surface level knowledge about the display technology knows this.
Also don't forget OLED's advantage in response time.
Also your confused use of "(S)AMOLED and SAMOLED" makes me think you are not aware of what these terms even mean.
OLED is self-explanatory once you expand the acronym. The "AM" in AMOLED stands for active matrix. If you find a phone without active matrixThe "SAMOLED" simply means that the screen is integrated with the digitizer but it's a marketing term used by Samsung.
Literally every OLED panel in a phone in current year is a "SAMOLED". And every display used in consumer devices since 20+ years ago uses active matrix. Using OLED, AMOLED, SAMOLED is extremely redundant in the context of mobile devices with touch screens. Your use of (S)AMOLED is straight up wrong because there are no phones on the market where the digitizer isn't fused to the display. Literally the only time to put the S in parentheses is when you're talking about both phones and devices without digitizers e.g. TVs which even then is redundant since it's a given consumer TVs don't have touchscreens.
>Green-tint also still plagues AMOLED. No wonder, as 50% of the displays are green sub pixels.
This needs debunking in 2020, why? Like I said before, green subpixels burn out faster or in other words they need to burn brighter to achieve the same luminosity. That's why OLED panels have two green subpixels that alternate between each other and it also happens that green pixels are ~1/2 the size of blue pixels. It doesn't matter how many individual pixels there are you bloke, the final luminosity is similar between each diode (and the green diode pair). Despite all this the green still burns out faster and the resultant burn-in colour is pink or magenta (emissive light has additive colours). If anything OLED panels have issues with magenta tint and if you look at reports from users and reviewers... they're mostly complaining after magenta tint after prolonged use.
Everything I have written here is widely available and easily accessible on the internet, there's no excuse for spreading myths debunked years ago. I encourage you to look it all up.
LCDs (also you didn't specify which) and OLED displays each have their own advantages and disadvanage but please, please do not talk about them if your knowledge doesn't extend beyond skimming a wikipedia article because you're just feeding people half-truths and myths. I reported your comment because a lot of it is just plain misinformation.
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- Maina
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- 02 Jan 2020
The way I found out about the existence of the Redmi Note 8 Pro was by searching for a phone with the MediaTek G90t processor. After finding out the phone cost only $217 in the US, purchasing it was just a no brainer. I am super happy with the phone, the only thing I am missing is band 71 for a better reception in tall buildings, but I knew about this shortcoming so I just work around it. With the existence of this phone and the available low cost competition I just don't see one people keep spending $1000s on phones........
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- AnonD-894375
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- 02 Jan 2020
Anonymous, 02 Jan 2020Depends on the market you buy, in india the price differenc... moreCompare the stated price here in GSM since we can't compare price in every individual country. Similarly in my country the x2 cost about 50USD higher than the rn8p as far as i can find. And the 730G is no where near 25% faster in GPU as claimed by qualcomm, just look at the x2 review, you be lucky with even 10% gain.
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- Anonymous
- n78
- 02 Jan 2020
Why are you comparing Note 8 Pro to Real x2. You should be comparing it to Mi9 Lite
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- Marco M
- Mu3
- 02 Jan 2020
Anonymous, 01 Jan 2020sAmoled > outdated LCD panel
Xioami fanboys still livi... moreSAMOLED still has its weaknesses, as it almost always has.
I have a phone with SAMOLED, and it's the biggest weakness of the device. Unfortunately my phone would not be possible to make with an LCD display.
LCD is sharper, typically offers more accurate colors and no burn-in. The last point is golden for device manufacturers. If the battery doesn't die first, then burn-in will make consumers want to upgrade a otherwise fully functional device.
The only win (S)AMOLED has is black level, which also affects contrast ratings. Not really relevant in daylight and places with lighting though. Brightness is more important there and the X2 maxes out at 432 cd/m2 where the Note 8 pro reaches a whopping 640 cd/m2.
AMOLED is popular in high priced devices because it is thin. Meaning devices can be made slimmer. AMOLED is more costly, so it serves as a more "premium part", even though it has obvious weak points compared to LCD. AMOLED can be made properly, but no one does it anymore because it's cheaper to cheat (pentile).
Hence my 403 DPI SAMOLED offers a lot more pixelated and less sharp image than my previous 342 DPI IPS based phone. If my SAMOLED had a RGB matrix instead of pentile, then it would be a different story.
Essentially I have pretty much the same screen as the X2, and it is not as sharp as the Note 8 Pro at all. Even at normal viewing distance you can still distinguish the individual pixels on +/- 6.4" FHD+ SAMOLED devices, screen door effect, and this really should not be a thing anymore, but sadly it is with (S)AMOLED of this type.
Green-tint also still plagues AMOLED. No wonder, as 50% of the displays are green sub pixels.
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- Anonymous
- LX7
- 02 Jan 2020
AnonD-894375, 02 Jan 2020You do know that there is a K20/9T that offer similar hardw... moreDepends on the market you buy, in india the price difference is Rs 2000, may be different in your country, still Mi 9T (730) has a lesser processor than X2(730G), and is more expensive, but again you may have different pricing.
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- uJA
- 02 Jan 2020
davk, 01 Jan 2020Can someone explain me how the Realme X2 has more dense pix... moreThe X2 has a smaller screen, 6.4" vs 6.53".
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- AnonD-894375
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- 02 Jan 2020
Anonymous, 02 Jan 2020Yes that's why rn8pro offers less value than the X2 despite... moreYou do know that there is a K20/9T that offer similar hardware to the x2? There is a reason why rn8p offer lower hardware. Price to price k20 is nearer to the x2. People who prefer 730 and OLED can simply choose the k20 as well, or even the k30 if you prefer 120hz LCD.
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- Anonymous
- LX7
- 02 Jan 2020
lol, 01 Jan 2020maybe coz its more expensive lolYes that's why rn8pro offers less value than the X2 despite being cheaper, for $30 extra bucks you get much better hardware, less heating and better upgrade path, better display, but the cheap people are willing to give it all up for some $30 bucks, they just get the cheaper one no matter what.
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- Anonymous
- thv
- 01 Jan 2020
Dont forget to count: NFC
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- 01 Jan 2020
If you're into emulation the Snapdragon 730G is going to perform noticeably better. It's also on a smaller process node so it's more efficient but that's offset by Redmi's larger battery.
Also note that Qualcomm releases source for the drivers so if there's any homebrew community it's going to be better on the Snapdragon equipped phone.
For me the X2 is the clear winner because the OLED panel is a deal breaker. Redmi Note 8 Pro is an excellent choice as well especially in places where X2 is not available and as a matter of fact I bought the Redmi Note 8 Pro for someone and the phone is excellent for the value.