Samsung Galaxy Z Fold3 5G

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• 09 Feb 2022

WhiteDragem, 09 Feb 2022I suppose I have a different opinion regarding this… (altho... moreu right i hope that's true, but about exynos let's be honest, they are seeling a processor without finished, it's like s21 exynos variant was better after software updates, but must be you to decide qualcom or samsung, but i'm trying to say more important than 3.5 or sd card is the android need to change and i says cause i like it, and i'm sorry if i knew about thats problem in bluetooth, i hope no one be hurt and if that's is true i agree with you, but you think android need change?

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• 09 Feb 2022

Anonymous, 07 Feb 2022i feel u but i'm more sad than u if samsung listen to ... moreI suppose I have a different opinion regarding this… (although I could easily champion the belief you share as well).

I do believe that Samsung want to have top tier flagships.
Everyone does….

Flagships are what get reviewers generating ‘positive buzz’.
Sometimes, (historically speaking) some companies do not move enough hardware to be eligible for ‘highest tier parts’ for their builds (when the ‘tough glass’ war was at its peak, there wasn’t enough ‘tough glass’ to go around and the ‘not so big’ manufacturers had to scramble to be allocated stock).

Unlike many people, I am a fan of Exynos (or I was); on the simple basis that Samsung made the processor, had the same advantage that Apple have (regarding building the hardware AND the software) and could naturally leverage all the cores to make the front end GUI and Operating System software ‘run optimally’.

This is the disadvantage of competing against a manufacturer that has the best OS (regarding ‘no bloat’,(Apple)), and hardware (literally Apple have most of the worlds best ARM chip engineers).

The Apple processors are untouchable for ‘performance per watt’ (the battleground in portable parts).
Irrelevant about how end users feel about software features and ‘flexibility’, Apple have ‘very few hardware iterations to support and the code is highly optimised for the customised silicon.

When Samsung cannot run with Exynos (the market filled with whinging consumers who blindly buy into the ‘spec sheet marketing wars’; that show the Qualcomm parts benchmarking better etc), they cannot leverage their considerable Research and Development that went into utilising ‘their best bet effort in a highly competitive market’.

I used to always WANT the Exynos variants (mad I know!?) especially due to paired DAC chips that were actually ‘audio quality parts’.. the Qualcomm chips typically being nothing special by comparison.

Now, in fairness, any cheap DAP (Digital Audio Player; a ‘dedicated music device’) will typically blow away the best phones ever made, for sound quality.
Even as a transport passing digital sound over USB, I had to highly customise Android to turn off ALL sensors (and certainly NOT use the wifi/radios(eg bluetooth and cellular network), and flagship phones were ‘very average’ in the duty as a digital transport. (all android devices generally are, except for, say a FiiO DAP that has a customised Android variant - which can be removed by ‘hidden updates’ when connecting to Play Store,.. but thats’ “another article”)..

Flagship phones should be something special.
3.5mm jacks aren’t so bad.. (many people want them, and many people are ‘very uninformed that bluetooth multipoint in their ear canals is ‘bad for health’, (250 doctors approaching World Heath Organisation to get some protection in place :NO SUCCESS!)(and bluetooth wants to ‘up their range of use’ which will require more power in the new war for range and bandwidth (Hi Res audio))..

The lack of memory cards, too, is a nightmare for end users, but more of a nightmare if they give the slot,.. as Android will happily default to external storage and then the 4K HDR video record features will cause all sorts of issues… (many cheap SD cards not having fast enough write speeds).
To avoid the service channel hassles, most companies are removing features that need ‘servicing’ (such as explaining why a users’ budget SD card isn’t quick enough for 4K video recording).

Some things are ‘out of their control’, some things are done to save $, and then the dodgy anti consumer stuff is when they deprecate hardware..

If only one of these issues was the norm, we would mostly be alright with it..
But due to the way these things can quickly stack.. we as consumers never know what (difficulties) the next market cycle will bring.

Sometimes things ARE beyond their control.
The problem is- these devices are costly; for the average consumer the ‘big purchases in life were (maybe a house), Car, Fridge, Couch and TV (order depends on geek factor and whether you need a car, I suppose).

Nowadays a phone can be one of the biggest purchases that most of the world buys.
manufacturers figured out they could make this sale more frequently, and sadly, we now spend crazy money for a small toy, and then we do it all again, not so long after the last one we bought.

Some even do it for the fashion..

Our planet cannot afford the landfill, nor the loss of precious resources.
Unfortunately no company can break the cycle in a competitive market, or else be devoured by the companies willing put $ before people/planet.

To say something good about Samsung; they were pretty much the only manufacturer that switched to pushing the RF out the back of the phone only (for cell tower reception).
All the other players decided ‘if we do that’, ‘we would be acknowledging there MIGHT be (health) issues/danger that they are aware of’.
For twenty years, no one has followed suit, and to this day, Samsung phones typically have the lowest SAR levels for end users.

(Children should generally have a ‘well selected’ Samsung device’ as the SAR, being considerably lower, generally, than all other phones, means they might be able to be on their phone for 6-10 minutes to receive equal SAR as, say, a new iPhone would give them in ‘one minute’)
Childrens BloodBrainBarriers are not fully developed.. so need more protection than ‘standard’.
those old 3.5mm jacks allowed wired headsets that might negate the SAR issue (mostly), of course many headsets actually became ‘like an antenna’ and actually put the SAR in the ear canal (no bone to reflect the SAR from the brain).
Maybe this is the secret reason most companies wanted to remove the jack ;-)

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• 07 Feb 2022

WhiteDragem, 31 Jan 2022Not a fold3 user (fold 2 and note 10+(5G) user) Having h... morei feel u but i'm more sad than u if samsung listen to us they'll pull back 3.5 jack and a SD card, and there are someones who says it's right. Android need to learn from IOS and the most part of users don't see that, security and updates, but it isn't all battery and ram manger are terrible and they don't care about the quality of product cause they know they gonna make a piece of sh** and we wanna buy and we will say this is the best

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• 04 Feb 2022

JingleBalls, 03 Feb 2022Anyone using this without a case? I find that the case just... moreIm using mine without a case rn but i get scared sometimes cus im quite clumsy lmao

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• 03 Feb 2022

Anyone using this without a case? I find that the case just adds to the bulkiness of the phone and hides the beauty of the phone.

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• 03 Feb 2022

JBBi, 01 Feb 2022Samsung make it right size . perfect for daily use anything... moreYou cant have everything bud

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• 02 Feb 2022

WhiteDragem, 31 Jan 2022Not a fold3 user (fold 2 and note 10+(5G) user) Having h... moreThanks for taking the time to write this out.
I enjoyed the read.

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• 01 Feb 2022

JBBi, 01 Feb 2022Samsung make it right size . perfect for daily use anything... moreyou think that could be more wider? like oppo one?

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• 01 Feb 2022

Samsung make it right size . perfect for daily use anything bigger will be considered tablet.
They need bigger battery 🔋.

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• 31 Jan 2022

Choco, 30 Jan 2022Large size and Higher pixels Z Fold4 will one big change; ... moreman i like 4k but i want a note fold that gonna be nice

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• 31 Jan 2022

Not a fold3 user (fold 2 and note 10+(5G) user)

Having had eight (or more) Samsung Note devices, and a slew of Samsung ‘S’ devices going back to the Nexus variant, some comments on ‘the present state of Samsung’, being ‘user support/product support’ and whether or not the company has any aspect of ‘pro consumer’ ethos…

In the modern PHONE technology world, ‘security updates’ (generally things that are allowed to CRIPPLE processor performance for ‘theoretical threats’, and ‘push new technology sales’ -=intel=-cough-=intel=-, Samsung have quite often played the game of ‘devalue the last product in order to sell the new one’.

this is highly ‘anti consumer’.
I have had ‘updates to devices’ that haven’t had updates for aeons, simply to break features, to ‘force me along’. (was actually funny when the Note 7 became a critical failure (top phone/dodgy tactics used against Samsung in the market at the time of release), as Samsung retro fixed earlier Note devices that had been ‘broken’ for a long time- in order to create positive user perception).

Having watched bluetooth APTX(HD/LL) get pulled from devices, via update, mostly due to a push to make Samsungs bluetooth codec ‘relevant’, and the lack of standard codecs that come with android in Samsung flagships (in order to downgrade my high end headphones to performance equivalent to ‘low quality’ Samsung earbuds)..
The ways in which the ‘tech players’ can push a market along is crazy. (too much power)

Mostly it comes down to chip vendors in a ‘non apple ecosystem’ that cannot recoup money via any method other than raw ‘hardware unit sales’, and need to remove ‘older chips’ from the market in order to keep their market segment alive..
The constant redundancy given to ‘slightly older parts’ is crazy.

Samsung pretty much have the formula figured out, and have got it down to ‘three years’ lifecycles for those with cash, and five year cycles for those willing to put up with a deprecated device (without the cash).

So we now get ‘security updates’ monthly, if you are a ‘present cycle’ customer, and quarterly if Samsung hasn’t seen your coin in ‘the last few years’..

So why then is BOTH my Note 10+5g AND Fold 2 (both relatively recent releases, both flagships, with a total value of approx $5k Australian dollars) presently 3 months without a security update?
(correct me if I am wrong, but that is ‘quarterly’ in my books/‘by my calculations’…)

We can argue that Samsung had issues rolling out Android 12 (such as screen refresh rates on some devices etc)(mail issues/ some ‘Google functionality’), and have therefore been caught out from the timeline they intended.. but this notion of ‘tying security updates to Operating System updates is stupid’.
Apple get away with it due to the fact that new OS roll out to devices that they support, generally going back well more than ‘five years’,… so the security update being tied to OS update doesn’t create ‘dead or worthless hardware’ (in consumers eyes) every three years..
but samsung depricating android OS, and using software rollouts to deprecate hardware features on older devices is EVIL business practice.

(and SHOULD be called out for such tactics in a hope that ‘we consumers’ get value from our dollars invested in ‘tech tools and tech toys’).

Fold (2) is a superlative device.. love it.
Shame it cannot do Apt X HD or HWA etc… bluetooth methods.
Shame it is three months without a security update (just like my workphone Note 10+ model).
Shame on you Samsung; some of these aspects are totally in your control, and arguing that one aspect (android 12 rollout) didn’t go ‘to plan’, doesn’t mean you get a ‘free pass’ on this..
You intentionally play the market this way, and the present issue with Android 12 rollout is ‘no excuse’. You are ‘highly anticonsumer’ as a method to ‘gain (short term) profits’.

Really hoping Android 12 supports Apt X HD but I won’t hold my breath.
Quarterly updates on $5k spread over two phone models, both in your ‘active support cycle’; guess I shouldn’t expect much come ‘year three’ then.. (should I sell them now whilst they are still worth something?)

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• 30 Jan 2022

Large size and Higher pixels Z Fold4 will one big change;

7.9 inches 4K,
Resolutiion 2160 x 3840 pixels,
6.4 inches FHD,
Resolution 1,080 x 1,920 pixels,

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• Fv1
• 26 Jan 2022

SigmaR, 25 Jan 2022I didn't say it's bad I said it can't be gre... moreAlso to reiterate, great or not is an opinion, and in mine the media experience is fantastic and if you get the chance to try it for yourself i highly recommend!

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• 26 Jan 2022

SigmaR, 25 Jan 2022I didn't say it's bad I said it can't be gre... moreBit of a stretch to start an argument lad really. Was only explaining how your assumption wasnt exactly accurate thats all. Easy misunderstanding over text i guess.

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• 25 Jan 2022

EePee, 24 Jan 2022Aspect ratio doesnt mean your experience is bad tho. Like y... moreI didn't say it's bad I said it can't be great since almost half the screen is black.

Why so sensitive on the matter? Did I touch a wrong button?

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• 24 Jan 2022

Abu , 22 Jan 2022Please don't buy this piece of scrap....it is the 34th... moreExpensive phones are expensive to replace. they most likely need "Approval" because they need to work out what the source of the problem is.
If they can repair it and save themselves money over sendng you a brand new replacement hone worth £1699 then they will, otherwise whats the point of selling them when you can get a new one for free

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• 24 Jan 2022

SigmaR, 24 Jan 2022the inside screen can't be great for media consuption.... moreAspect ratio doesnt mean your experience is bad tho. Like yeah theres black bars and some empty screen but that doesnt take away from how good the screen is or the speakers or the overall experience. The majority of phones now have black bars when watching media its just something we need to get used to.
Weird aspect ration does not mean bad media consumption, because to repeat myself, the media consumption experience is fantastic.

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• 24 Jan 2022

NeoGul, 23 Jan 2022Quite common now. The reported cases now top that of the Fo... moreI havent had the issue myself and ive seen its a minority of the phones are having issues like this, just a shame though about these kinds of issues but to keep in mind its still very early in its development. it may be the 3rd generation but look ow many generations smartphones as a whole took to start getting good

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• 24 Jan 2022

SigmaR, 24 Jan 2022the inside screen can't be great for media consuption.... moreDont understand why you would try to tell me a problem with the phone im holding that ive never seen. Yes the video doesnt fill up thd full screen, but that doesnt make it bad? The screen is a big gorgeous Amoled panel with great colour and a resolution thats just right for something this size.
Media consumption is fantastic.
Trying to tell someone who owns the fold, that the fold is bad at something when they dont think it is doesnt make sense.

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• 24 Jan 2022

EePee, 22 Jan 20223rd month in now and i am in love with this handset. Phenom... morethe inside screen can't be great for media consuption... the ratio aspect is all wrong

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